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- From: scott@soldev.tti.com (Scott Taylor)
- Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.164721.29867@ttinews.tti.com>
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- References: <1992Nov17.000333.5080@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <guido.722012392@sparc-3> <1992Nov17.215451.3441@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:47:21 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.215451.3441@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
- >In <guido.722012392@sparc-3> guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci) writes:
- >
- >>tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
- >
- >>>In <1992Nov13.185255.4694@ttinews.tti.com> scott@soldev.tti.com (Scott Taylor) writes:
- >>>>I am afraid that you know not of what you speak. When sailing bare headed
- >>>>you lose both boat speed and pointing ability. On a large boat, where a
- >>>>headsail change will take 3-5 minutes with hanks, you could easily lose
- >>>>30-40 boat lengths.
- >
- >>I've crewed on a C&C 35 with hanks and it never took us that long to
- >>change head sails. Our procedure involved undoing the lower hanks
- >>on the jib that is still up, attaching the new jib in the space vacated
- >>by the current jib hanks. When the new one was completely attached, the
- >>old one was "de-hanked" as it came down. As soon as old one was completely
- >>off the new one was hoisted. Hoisting a hanked sail is very fast.
- >>We were probably completely without headsail for only 15-20 seconds.
- >>While this boat was relatively low tech with a lousy handicap we often beat
- >>much faster boats by not screwing up boat handling and paying attention
- >>to tell tales and wind shifts. We also ate real well since
- >>we made good food a priority :-).
- >
- >As I said, if you compare badly executed hank sail change to a well executed
- >foil change there is a real difference. Because people interested in winning
- >races invest more in practice as well as equipment Mr. Scot might be under
- >the false impression that there is a really big difference between the
- >two procedures, when the real difference was between the crews. :-).
- >Maybe I am not that stupid after all. ;-).
- >
-
- No. You're still stupid. You just don't have an exclusive claim to the
- term anymore.
-
- Okay, I'll go slow. Compare two identical boats, lets say Santa Cruz
- 70's. One has a wire headstay, the other has a foil. Now, let's assume
- that they are on a beat on a long upwind leg, say ~10 miles to go. They
- both have a light number one up. The wind has freshened from ~4 knots to
- ~12 knots and building. Time to change headsails. Oh, yeah, and lets
- also assume that the crews are equally skilled and the two boats are
- racing side by side.
-
- The boat with the foil continues to sail on course, while raising the
- number 2 inside of the number 1. They drop the number one behind the
- number two and lose very little boat speed in the process.
-
- The boat with hanks, hanks on a new sail below the existing sail and
- begins to lower the number 1. Their mast is about 90' high with a
- piston hank every 5 feet along the luff, so 18 hanks at three seconds
- each to undo. That's 54 seconds with the sail flapping around on it's
- way down. During that 54 seconds you had to bear off 15 degrees, because
- the boat was really designed to sail with a headsail and not with a main
- alone. Now you have to raise the new sail, get it sheeted in and adjust
- to the new course.
-
- Now, which boat do you think is ahead of the other in this race?
- Remember that the boats are identical, the crews are equally skilled
- and the conditions are the same. The only difference is that one
- boat has a foil and the other does not.
-
- >- Lauri Tarkkonen
-
-
- Scott Taylor, Citicorp/TTI
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