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- From: jag9931@summa.tamu.edu (GLENNON, JOHN ALAN)
- Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
- Subject: Re: Long-term cave exploration - waste disposal?
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:10 CST
- Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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- References: <1992Nov20.205106.3779@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1992Nov23.232817.13519@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>
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- Summary: Lechuguilla closing
- Keywords: Lechuguilla, cave, urine
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- In article <1992Nov23.232817.13519@hpcvca.cv.hp.com
- >, scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes...
- >2) Urine is to be carried out during all trips less than or equal to 24
- > hours (typically up to 36 hours). On more extended trips, urine is
- > allowed in specific areas only, where there is some kind of "soil", not
- > just a gypsym substrate. If you are less than a certain distance from
- > the entrance on your way out, then you need to carry that out, too.
-
- Interesting. I was not aware that this occurred. I personally believe this
- to be a poor policy. Fortunately for Lech explorers, I hardly matter.
- I wonder why they allow this? It seems to put convenience as a higher
- priority than protection of the resource.
-
- >: The Park Service has closed Lechuguilla Cave temporarily to exploration
- >: while such resource management issues are examined.
- >
- >From where did you get this (wholly incorrect) information?
- >
- >Lech is "closed" due to a difference of opinion between cavers, the LCP
- >head, and the Park Service. The difference of opinion had nothing to do
- >with "resource management issues". It was about the park wanting all raw
- >survey data and computer data (not just line plots or finished maps), and
- >volunteer status of the project members. The difference of opinion resulted
- >in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Park and the Lechuguilla
- >Cave Project being canceled.
-
- I used the term "resource management issue" as a catch-all phrase to glaze
- over the political heat of this issue in hopes that it would not have to be
- discussed on this newsgroup. My information concerning these resource issues
- come from conversations I have had with Park Service employees. According to
- them, along with being more wary about groups entering the cave, the Park is
- also reexamining resource management issues concerning trip lengths, number of
- trips, number of participants, and more Park Service involvement in all trips.
- These issues did not necessarily close the cave, but they are some things that
- are to be examined before things get back to "normal".
-
- Summary: I should have said "reexamining" instead of "examining".
-
-
- >Note that Lech isn't actually "closed" per se. If you have a valid
- >scientific/exploration project in mind that requires the cave, you can
- >petition the Park Service to let you in. A few trips have been made since
- >the MOU was cancelled. The National Geographic filming being a prime
- >example.
-
- I agree. The cave is "open", but "closed". Actually, I would say that
- under current circumstances, you would have to have a better than good
- excuse to get in the cave. I may be wrong.
-
- It may be best to discuss these issues either privately or on the
- cavers' forum. I'd be glad to.
-
- ---
- Alan Glennon
- jag9931@rigel.tamu.edu
- My opinions are my own.
-