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- From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
- Subject: Re: Alaska to shoot hundreds of wolves/ Milankovitch Cycle
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- cvakgaaq@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu wrote:
-
- : Milankovitch was a Serbian mathematician who showed that because the
- Earth's orbit is elleptical and the Earth has an Axial tilt, and wobbles about
- : the axis, then there are variations over periods of thousands of years in the
- : amount of solar radiation striking the Earth's surface during the seasons.
-
- The key phrase here is "thousands of years". The global warming
- problem, short-term, may happen in hundreds of years. Hence, processes such
- as tree species migration, which occur over thousands of years, may not
- be able to keep up.
-
- : For the Northern Hemisphere, the variations are from a hot summmer
- : and a cold winter to a mild summer and a mild winter. When the summers are
- : mild, then less snow melts than falls in the winter; the glaciers grow,etc.
- : The other key to the Ice Age is Plate tectonics. Normally ocean
- : currents carry warm water from the equator to the poles. the poles are
- : currently blocked by land masses, so there is no heat transfer at all.
-
- Not exactly true. The Gulf Stream, for example, carries a
- significant amount of heat northward toward Europe, which is why northern
- latitude England has much milder winters than Quebec, which is at roughly
- the same latitude.
- Furthermore, deep bottom currents transfer cold (from the air)
- southward. Most ocean bottom water formation occurs around Greenland. A
- lesser amount of bottom water formation occurs around Antarctica.
- BTW, the North Pole is not blocked by a land mass.
-
-
- : The Milankovitch cycle fits the paloebiological record for temperature
- : changes very well.
-
- This has recently come into question. See recent references by
- Isaac Winograd, U.S. Geological Survey. Winograd does not see Milankovitch --
- Ice Age correlation.
-
-
- :
- : You can see the Milankovitch Cycle driving temperature changes if
- : you live near tyhe mountains or in Canada. Locate the treeline. Notice the
- : absence of seedlings. Only mature specimens. I we were getting warmer, the
- : treelines would show growth; but they don't. Anyone can see this with
- : thweir own eyes, they don't need special equipment. You don't even need the
- : absolute treeline--just find the treelinf for a specific species.
- :
- I seriously doubt, given the timescale for Milankovitch-cycle climate
- change, that such observations are driven by Milankovitch cycles. Many
- shorter time-scale processes will affect species distributions. Resistance
- to soil acidification comes to mind. (Alpine soils are notably thin and
- susceptible to acidification.)
- Also, an overpopulation of deer might overbrowse nice juicy pine
- seedlings.
-
- : Global warming is a lie.
-
- Current accepted data show warming beginning in the 1930's through
- today. The link between warming and anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions
- has not yet been established with certainty.
- There IS a difference between short- and long-term climate change.
- Furthermore, if you're willing to wait about 10,000 years, all of the
- CO2 in the atmosphere will be absorbed by the oceans and neutralized by
- dissolution of sedimented CaCO3 (see references by Broecker.)
- The "global warming" problem addresses what may be a drastic change
- in global mean temperatures over a century or so.
-
-
- :
- : The book to read is called Ice Ages by J and K Imbries. Its easily
- : available at most libraries. Its a real good read. See alsos the books by EC
- : Peilou, the canadian naturalist.
- :
- : -Austin Moseley
- :
-
-
- I hope the relevant arguments are a bit clearer now.
-
- Jim Acker
- jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov
-