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- From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
- Subject: Re: Long-term cave exploration - waste disposal?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.202226.19293@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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- References: <1992Nov20.205106.3779@tamsun.tamu.edu>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:22:26 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.205106.3779@tamsun.tamu.edu> you write:
- >S.W. Marlatt writes:
- >>I belive some of the urine is allowed to be
- >>dumped in the cave, in selected areas. This is becoming fairly
- >>routine in many large caves (e.g. Wind, Jewel, Lech, Carlsbad, etc.),
- >>as a natural outgrowth of the increasing numbers of people caving
- >>these days. (If you don't cave, don't start! It's really nothing to
- >>get excited about.)
- >
- > I have worked at all three parks mentioned: Jewel Cave, Wind Cave, and
- >Carlsbad, and none of them allow any type of human waste dumping in any
- >part of the cave. ALL human waste is carried out. Apparently, it was
- >once a practice to leave human waste in Lechuguilla (urine in a bucket),
- >with the thought that the urine would evaporate. From what I have heard,
- >the urine has not evaporated, and one of the base camps stinks to
- >"high heaven".
- > The Park Service has closed Lechuguilla Cave temporarily to exploration
- >while such resource management issues are examined.
- >
- >-Alan Glennon
- >
-
- Alan,
- Thanks for the clarification. I have not had time to be involved
- in any of the Lech work (I was originally supposed to be on the climbing
- trip that foudn Cap't Hooks Ladder and the way south from the rift) - my
- understanding of the urine disposal was from various people who have
- done considerable work there prior to the LCP meltdown (Donald Davis,
- Paul Burger, Gary Petrie, etc.) I have done considerable work there
- prior to the LCP meltdown (Donald Davis, Paul Burger, Gary Petrie, etc.)
- I have done some work with the Colorado Grotto at Wind Cave and understand
- that no such dumping is allowed there or in Jewel.
- Your editing of my posting makes it sound like the increase in
- caving pressure is making urine dumping increasingly routine. That is
- not what I meant, and I'm sure you did not intend to twist my meaning.
- I meant that carrying out urine and feces is becoming more common due
- to the increasing numbers of cavers. It will become more necessary
- outside of caving as well, in backcountry situations.
- One final point. The current closure of Lechuguilla is not
- really due to the Park Service evaluating management issues such as
- waste removal. It _is_ almost entirely a result of large egos and
- political feuding by the directors of the Lechuguilla Cave Project.
-
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