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- From: dovey@renoir.llnl.gov (Donald Dovey)
- Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
- Subject: Re: USFS Backcountry Fees
- Message-ID: <141917@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 01:32:20 GMT
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- In article <1ebq45INNm42@morrow.stanford.edu>,
- AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
- >I have just seen a news report on a proposal to charge user fees for
- >backpacking and hiking use of the National Forests. My first
- >response was negative. However, to say that the money collected
- >would be used to replace logging revenues. <...>
- >If this is true I would be inclined to change my view.
-
- An article on forest use fees appears on the front page of the the San
- Francisco Chronicle, November 16. According to the article, the fees
- were proposed in a report by a "nonprofit environmental consulting firm"
- called Cascade Holistic Economic Consultants, but the Forest Service
- has not considered such fees and has no plans to ask Congress for the
- authority to implement them.
-
- In article <1ecdfjINNn00@morrow.stanford.edu>,
- HF.MMS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Skubik) writes:
- > Those apposed to the usage fees have argued that imposing
- > the fees on taxpayers (who already own the public land)
- > would mean charging you to use what's already yours.
- > Also that it would unfairly deny the poor to access to public
- > land.
- >
- > On the first, I'd rather pay a little to keep the forests
- > than let the government give it away to logging companies
- > who pay for the salaries going to forest service personnel <...>
-
- Quoting from the article, "The drive to cut more trees has led
- many of the national forests to spend more on roads and other
- timber-sale preparations than they get from the sales themselves,
- sticking taxpayers with the bill. In a report issued last year,
- the consulting firm calculated that such questionable timber sales
- cost $180 million in 1990."
-
- The purpose of the fees is not to replace logging revenue to the
- Forest Service, but to replace the tax base that logging provides
- to nearby communities. "Counties that contain national forests
- are as dependent as the Forest Service on money from timber sales
- because federal laws guarantee them 25 percent of national forest
- receipts for schools and roads."
-
- It looks to me like a scheme to subsidize logging communities as
- the amount of logging is reduced. That may be good or bad, but
- I don't want to have a fee for general use of the national forests.
- Fees for "improved campgrounds" which have toilets, garbage collection,
- etc. are fine; I avoid those campgrounds whenever possible.
-
- > On the second point, small usage fees do not keep the
- > poor folks out of the forest. The cost of outfitting
- > a trip into the forest keeps the disadvantaged out.
-
- Forest use is certainly a middle-class activity. But should we put
- one more barrier there for the poor?
-
- --
- Don Dovey dovey@llnl.gov
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