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- From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
- Subject: Re: Abbey bashing.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.163904.22197@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:39:04 GMT
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- In article <Nov17.213846.66267@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
- >In article <27614@oasys.dt.navy.mil> oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes:
- >>In rec.backcountry, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
- >>!Christian sentiments asside, the loss of a snake is a tragedy. The
- >>!loss of a human is insignificant, or possibly a blessing. (This all
- >>
- >>This self deprecation has always annoyed me. The snake surely doesn't
- >>think ITS demise is more desirable than YOURS. But if you truly feel
- >>that way, Goodbye.
- >
- >Ah, I was waiting for the flames to ignite. After all, you can't
- >simply toss Christian sentiments aside, in a Christian culture.
- >(Even the athiest reader's views are likely a product of this
- >Christian Milieu.)
- >
- >Here's a question: Is a single human life worth more than the lives
- >of all the snakes in the world? How about all the snakes plus all the
- >mice? Yes? How about the snakes plus the mice plus all the chimpanzees?
- >We laugh at those who once thought the earth was the center of the
- >universe, yet we still believe humanity to be the center of the biosphere.
- >
- >The fact that the snake doesn't "think" implies only that the snake
- >isn't guilty of stupidity.
- >
- >--
- >
- >-Wayne Trzyna
- > trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
-
- This is an interesting debate, and brings to mind some retorical situations
- I've considered (and maybe more fodder for Eugene's Turing Test).
-
- 1. You are a research biologist, and discover a highly contagious virus
- which will result in infertility in all of humanity. Do you release it?
-
- 2. You are a research biologist, and discover a highly contagious virus
- which will result in infertility in about half the people it infects.
- Do you release it?
-
- 3. Smallpox has been largely destroyed - should the virus be given
- endanged species status? (Would an infected person then be denied
- treatment?)
-
- 4. You become injured on a remote, solo climbing trip, and find yourself
- trapped on a high ledge. You cannot expect rescue for many weeks. A
- small seep provides you with water, but you ran out of food several
- days ago. You have an opportunity to kill the a condor...
-
- 5. A certain small cave contains a rare subspecies of salamader, known
- nowhere else in the world. a) The entire population in the cave is
- destroyed when the small entrance is blocked by a careless bulldozer
- operator cutting a logging road. b) The entire population in the cave
- is destroyed when the entrance collapses after an exceptionally
- heavy thunderstorm. Remark on differences between a and b. The cave
- salamander fills a dead-end ecological niche - the survival or loss
- of the cave ecosystem will have no impact on even the local surface
- ecosystem. Does this in any way affect previous remarks?
-
- That's enough for now.
-
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