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- From: furtaw@comm.mot.com (Bob Furtaw)
- Subject: Re: logging solo and ground t
- Organization: Motorola
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:05:47 GMT
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- In article <1e96tlINNlpc@pongo.West.Sun.COM>, brianh@smaug.West.Sun.COM
- (Brian Horn) wrote:
- >
- > In article <furtaw-161192082649@145.1.92.170> furtaw@comm.mot.com (Bob Furtaw) writes:
- > >BTW 61.189 says "...flight instructor SHALL sign the logbook of each
- > >person...FLIGHT or GROUND instruction...". This means NO DECISION, it must
- > >be done! This is often overlooked by many instructors. A student is often
- >
- > Whoaa!!! Back up. It is simple. If the instruction was not logged, it
- > is as if it didn't occur. Since none is required to occur (remember the
- > "or home study") none needs to occur thus doesn't need to get logged.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- This has more to do with 61.51 where the "logging
- of other
- flight time" isn't required. 61.189 supercedes
- this.
-
- > Or would you like to stretch it so that Geoff (and Dave, and Kerry and ...)
- > all after posting (and hopefully instructing the net in some small way) were
- > required to write in each and every rec.aviators logbook?
-
- I would certainly hope that no one feels "instructed" by reading any
- article to netters!...with all respect to Geoff et al. Nor would I expect
- anyone reading any aviation article in a magazine to feel instructed. More
- educated maybe, but not instructed. There are plenty of court cases that
- have cited what constitutes instruction. The act of instruction is similar
- to the "(flight time) for the purpose of flight" phrase, and subject to
- similar interpretations and limitations. For 25 years I have signed every
- student's log book per the requirement. If someone is standing by
- listening, this is not instruction. The notion that "if not logged, it
- didn't occur" (para-phrased) is absurd. The regulation is clear (and
- assumes the instruction was given), for at least one on one instruction.
- >
- > Note: this does *not* apply to CFI students. There the logging *is* required.
- >
- > >asked "Do you want me to sign your logbook?", without realizing he must.
- > >Sometimes the question is asked out of courtesy but most times, from
- > >ingorance. There is an "out", however...the reg does NOT say WHEN the
- > >logbook shall be signed...Immediately following a lesson, before a
- > >recommendation, before the 3 year record (CFI) expiration date, or
- > >whatever??
- >
- > Just for clarification that 3 year requirement is that CFI's must keep
- > written records for 3 years, not that the CFI's certificate is good
- > for 3 years. Of course if you sign (what is allowable) off under your
- > ground instructor certificate, then one is not required to keep these
- > things around for the 3 years.
-
- Yes, your clarification is accurate, I was limiting the discussion to part
- 61 rules.
-
- Bob Furtaw - W8IL
- CFI-A/G/I/MEI, CGI-A/I
- All disclaimers ever written by anybody apply. :-)
-