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- From: sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sriram Sankar)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: More on anti-lock brakes
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.214704.16714@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 21:47:04 GMT
- Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU
- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
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- Originator: sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
-
-
- Ok, here is one more posting from me on anti-lock braking. I've included
- some text from previous postings in response to my original posting for
- context. I learned a couple of new things yesterday to add to this
- discussion. The details follow the included portion.
-
- > What you have described is called a three channel system. It treats
- > the two back wheels as a single entity and cannot independently
- > control the braking of the rear wheels. If one starts to slip, braking
- > force is reduced at both wheels and you lose some braking ability.
- >
- > Most passenger car systems are four channel - they have separate wheel
- > speed sensors for each wheel and can modulate the hydraulic pressure
- > at each wheel. These systems are quite good at handle the split-mu
- > (high traction on one side, low on the other) situation that you
- > described. A three channel system will allow you to maintain
- > stability because the front (steering) wheels are not skidding. But
- > you won't get quite as much braking.
- >
- > |>2. Can the pumping be isolated to just one wheel and leave the
- > |> braking effect on other wheels as is even if they are on the
- > |> same hydraulic circuit?
- >
- > Only in a fully independent four-channel system.
- >
- > |>4. Do cars differ in the number of wheels on which anti-lock is
- > |> supported?
- >
- > Yes. The system in your Saab is somewhat behind the times, but it is much
- > better than no ABS at all.
- >
- > The ABS system on most cars usually have 3 - 4 hydraulic circuits.
- > Each front wheel gets one, and depending on the car, the rear wheel
- > gets either one per wheel or one total. Each circuit is equipped with
- > a separate actuator which can release hydraulic pressure in just that
- > circuit.
-
- My car is a 1992 Saab 9000 with three hydraulic circuits for the brakes.
- I learned yesterday that the 1993 Saab 9000's come in two forms - one
- with three hydraulic circuits (just like the 1992), and the other with
- just two hydraulic circuits (one for each front wheel and the diagonally
- opposite rear wheel). The three circuit version is used with models with
- traction control. Also, the 1992 Honda Accord user manual says that
- it has two hydraulic circuits for the brakes.
-
- So, if the responses above are true, then:
-
- 1. The Saab 9000 ABS which someone stated is behind the times is going
- further behind the times. I can't believe that Saab would do this
- especially since they already have it and one of their main selling
- points is safety.
-
- 2. If the Honda info is correct (I'm positive about the Saab info, but
- I don't trust a user manual to give accurate technical facts - so I'm
- not sure about Honda), then the Honda ABS is very primitive.
-
- Or maybe the above responses are not accurate. Would someone in the
- know care to respond?
-
- Thanks,
-
- Sriram.
-