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- From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
- Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO! (was: The end of cassettes,
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.044130.19040@dgbt.doc.ca>
- Organization: The Communications Research Centre
- References: <24214@alice.att.com> <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <24221@alice.att.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:41:30 GMT
- Lines: 44
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- In article <24221@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
- >In article <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
- >
- >>Yes you must. But you don't explaing why you think this. I don't expect
-
- >>Are you thinking that the first generation will compress the data by
- >>throwing away 80%, so therefore the second generation must throw away
- >>another 80% of the 20% left, leaving only 4% of the original music?
- >That's a pretty silly way of looking at it.
- >
- >>If this is your thinking, then here's mine. The first compression
- >>will remove 80% of the information, but the second time through the
- >>system, almost nothing will be removed, because it was all removed
- >>in the first pass.
- >That's absolutely wrong as well. Think if of it this way:
- >The first compression will add some amount of noise. The second
- >will add the same amount of noise, although perhaps not
- >in the same places (the compression has enough effect on
- >source statistics that the psychoacoustic models may not
- >be quite the same), and as a result there will be twice as much
- >noise in the second copy, for another 3dB loss in masking
- >ratio.
- >
- >Enough of these losses (how many are needed depends on the
- >difficulty of the source material you use) and you will surely
- >hear noise, and lots of it.
- >
- >Again, I refer you to the CCIR Study Group 10 test on
- >tandeming for the CCIR digital audio compresson standard.
- >The documents from CCIR should be in the public domain soon
- >if not already.
-
- >>If you have some evidence that multiple generation copies will be
- >>bad, please let us know about it. If you don't, please stop passing your
- >>theories along as if they were facts.
-
-
- As head of one of the labs that did the CCIR Study Group 10 tandeming
- tests, and as one of the principal authors of the reports, let me
- assure you there is progressive loss with tandeming (i.e. with multiple
- passes through lossy psychacoustic algorithms)
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- Ted Grusec - Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada
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