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- From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
- Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The Quality of Life"
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:43:40 GMT
- Keywords: TNG, Data, machine life?
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- dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
- :)In article <By531y.6o6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jal41820@uxa (Smiley) writes:
- :)>dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
- :)>:)In article <1emnn4INN13r@gap.caltech.edu>, tlynch@cco (Timothy W. Lynch) wr
- :)>:)>WARNING: The following review contains spoiler information for "The Qual
- :)>:)>of Life." (The TNG episode, that is, not the concept itself. :-) ) Tho
- :)>:)>not wishing said spoilers are advised to remain calm, avoid panic, and si
- :)>:)>skip this message.
-
- :)>:)What about "Evolution"? IMHO, this is almost a straight re-working of that
- :)>:)episode:
- :)>:) -modification on a tool creates intelligence
- :)>
- :)>The nanites were let out of their contained environment. The exocomps were
- :)>*physicallY* modified.
-
- :)So were the nanites. Remember? Wesley's experiment was to see if he could
- :)improve the nanites, just like whatsername wanted to improve the exocomps.
-
- Nanites are normally not allowed to interact, according to that episode.
- Wesley's experiment was to see if, by allowing them to interact by letting
- them out of contained sparation, they could be improved. The *problem* occured
- when they were let out of *that* containment. There was a mistake that caused
- the creation of intelligence. Here, it was a side effect.
-
- :)True, "Evolution" required Wesley to act like an idiot so the nanites would
- :)get loose on the ship, but I don't see that that is a major difference.
-
- It's the difference of a mistake versus a side effect. I don't think that's
- plot stealing. (And Wesley falling asleep isn't acting like an idiot, but
- that's another matter).
-
- :)>:) -new intelligence causes havoc, which gets in the way of obsessive scient
- :)>
- :)>The intelligence itself causing havoc, and someone *protecting* that
- :)>intelligence, is *quite* a difference.
-
- :)I was referring specifically to the incident where the exocomp failed to repai
- :)the cracked Whatsis tube, and caused an explosion. This was well before Data
- :)began protecting them.
-
- Helllllo. The exocomp didn't repair the tupe because it *knew* it couldn't
- repair it in time. It in no way caused the explosion. Furthermore, the
- explosion resulted from something completely different than why the exocomp
- was sent in, as shown in Data's tests when the exocomp returned with the
- tool to correct the other problem.
-
- :)>:) -since recognizing this new presence as life would impair the scientist's
- :)>:) research, the scientist is opposed to any line of inquiry to establish
- :)>:) whether a new intelligence is present
- :)>
- :)>In Evolution, this occured. Here, the scientist *watched* a test that
- :)>everyone there agreed would determine it's state of life.
-
- :)She also was opposed to performing it. She was also first to jump to the
-
- Quite different than "Evolution" where there was no such test, wouldn't you
- agree? And being on a 48 hour time limit, I'd much rather spend my time
- on that time limit, too.
-
- :)conclusion that they were not intelligent on the basis of a single experiment.
-
- The fact that she was "first" has nothing to do with it. Everyone there, except
- Data, accepted the results as the exocomps not being alive. That isn't
- being "opposed to any line of inquiry", that's accepting a scientific test,
- which ALL of them (except Data) did.
-
- :)>Data was the
- :)>only one who still had hopes. Even Geordi thought the test meant it
- :)>wasn't alive. Quite different from Evolution.
-
- :)Well, I /did/ say it wasn't *exactly* like "Evolution". IMHO, the essence
- :)of the plots is almost point-for-point the same (as I outlined in my previous
- :)post). Certainly, you can point to differences, and say "See? They're
- :)different!", but it doesn't change the fact that several key elements of
- :)the plot in each case are virtually identical.
-
- I don't think they're identical at all. I don't think they're anywhere *close*.
- Hence my post. Basically, unless I think just about every aspect of the
- show is awful (like the episode with Riker's father), I'm of the opinion
- not to try and find all it's flaws, and just accept the show. So when
- other people try and find all the flaws, especially in an episode I enjoyed
- so much, I'm going to point out everything I can that's not acurate about
- those "flaws".
-
- :)>:) -Data is instrumental in proving the existence of the new intelligence.
- :)>
- :)>Actually, Wesley was more instrumental in Evolution.
-
- :)Since Wesley was the motivating cause in "Evolution", he was (of course?)
- :)the first one to realize what had happened. But if you recall, it was Data
- :)that first established intelligent contact with the nanites, and it was Data
- :)who volunteered his body for the nanites to inhabit for negotiation.
-
- Data was simply working the computers to establish it. Picard could have
- done that, given more time. Data volunteering his body doesn't prove the
- intelligence. Dr. Stubbs was the one who proved their intelligence when
- he forced the nanites to provoke a counter-attack on him. If anything,
- it was Data's *physical* properties that made that episode flow as it did.
- Here, it was his *mental* properties, and judgement, that made the episode
- flow, an ENTIRELY different approach.
-
- :)>Actually, Picard and Geordi would have quite probably died if it weren't
- :)>for the exocomps. I'd say that doesn't make them invulnerable.
-
- :)So Picard and LaForge die on the fountain, Data is court-martialed, convicted,
- :)and delivered to Bruce Maddox for disassembly, and 3 of the primary characters
- :)of the show are written out with one fell swoop.
-
- :)You didn't seriously believe that might possibly happen, did you?
-
- But that wasn't your point. Your point was that the ending promoted the
- feel of invulnerablity of our main characters.
-
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