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- From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,alt.cyberpunk
- Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:29:50 GMT
- Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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- In article <1992Nov18.165819.20554@yang.earlham.edu> jessec@yang.earlham.edu writes:
- |Now what's all this, then?
- |
- | Curtis Yarvin (curtis@cs.berkeley.edu) writes:
- |
- |>In article <1992Nov17.130534.20533@yang.earlham.edu>
- |>jessec@yang.earlham.edu writes:
- |>>
- |>> More importantly: why read fiction if it can't tell you anything about
- |>>what it is to be human? To be alive?
- |>
- |>I don't know about you, Jesse, but I already have a pretty good feeling
- |>of what it is to be alive.
- |
- |We all *live* it, but what *is* it and what on earth does it mean?
-
- Methinks it might be profitable, before continuing into further
- realms of cosmological netherspace, to restrain our ambitions
- and ask what on earth _you_ mean.
-
- But not to fear. Once we have some nice context-sensitive
- definitions for "is" and "mean" we shall not stint from our
- exploration into these dark lands, where every sophomore with a
- Kant monkey and a black-sweater fetish has gone before. Nay we
- shall plunge boldly ahead. And if the abyss doth gaze into us
- we shall not hesitate to flip it a penny and mutter, "Get a
- job, buster."
-
- |>>Gibson, far from a computer engineer, or even a
- |>>computer-literate layperson, understood the emerging reality of
- |>>a postindustrial technosphere far better than the hard SF
- |>>contingent of the late seventies or early eighties did-- maybe
- |>>because he understood it as a series of changes in the patterns
- |>>of everyday human life, and tried to grasp at it through
- |>>techniques such as the hijacked language (i.e., "virus" and
- |>>"sarariman") of *Neuromancer*, *Count Zero*, etc.
- |>
- |> A monster non-sequitur to the jaw! And it's all over, folks.
- |> The referee is stepping in. Gentlemen, we have a winner.
- |
- | Why is it a non sequitur? I was trying to respond to Szabo's contention
- |that whatever it is that is not "diamond-hard SF"-- "spongy-soft SF",
- |perhaps?-- somehow fails to connect to reality. Gibson, to many,
- |epitomizes spongy-softness, since he got his feel for the emerging global
- |network culture by chatting up hackers instead of reading electronics
- |manuals. He didn't even (gasp) own a computer until more recently; of
- |course, it's not like most of the writers of hard SF have gone to other
- |planets or operated nuclear reactors themselves, but hey.
- | In particular, Szabo praised hard SF for understanding economics in a
- |high tech society, which ironically is one of "soft" Gibson's strong
- |points. He saw the new electronic economy as something more and more
- |seamlessly integrated with other information systems, with a corresponding
- |erosion of privacy, and understood the relationship of the black market to
- |its legal counterpart, its dynamics and ironies. Anyway, this kind of
- |grasp of social reality seems to elude the writers of hard SF, probably
- |because its human focus is outside their interests...
-
- Bwhaha. Let's have a big "Bwahaha," from the crowd. Thank
- you, folks. Thank you. And now, a show of hands. Could we
- have a show of hands? All those who think the best replacement
- for one heap of trendy moose offal is another heap of trendy
- moose offal, say "Aye" and give me five fingers high. Ready...
- now!
-
- "AYE!"
-
- And we have a winner! The people have spoken, and I'm sorry to
- say, Jesse, that you are absolutely right and I'm completely
- utterly wrong not to mention stinking drunk and an outright
- disgrace to the human race.
-
- Looks like it was that last clump of votes, there, from alt.
- cyberpunk, that pushed him over the edge. Oh well. And while
- I'm at it I would like to announce my retirement from
- chairmanship of the Cynic Party, and my impending return
- to the family sodomite farm in Buggersville Iowa, where I
- will live out the rest of my days in pastoral harmony.
- Thank you, folks. Thank you.
-
- c
-