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- From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
- Subject: suggestions for Alex / Marek (Re: Artifacts)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.182059.20441@news.acns.nwu.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 18:20:59 GMT
- Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov19.182059.20441
- References: <1992Nov19.170939.24802@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov19.170939.24802@midway.uchicago.edu> alk4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >
- >Oh...its soooo easy.
- >
- >
- >
- >
- >Artifacts
- >---------
- >
- >
- >in a trash can
- >near her bed
- >
- >a wasted rose
- >and a condom full of love
- >
- >
- >
- >Alex L. Karan
- >(does this even hold on its own?)
- >
-
- Um, no. The sparseness makes it easy to pick apart, though.
-
- 1) why wasted rose? A dead rose, a wilted rose, a wasted away rose, a
- dessicated rose, a parched rose, a rose -- yes, but a wasted rose
- implies that the rose is a tool, an implement, an opportunity that
- failed. But did it? From the context either the she in the poem (to
- quote the lovable way Joe Green refers to women, on whose behalf he
- fought so fiercely in Veitnam an in rap, but I digress...) got the
- rose herself or had it given. If the former, it is irrelevant to the
- condom stuff that follows, if she was given the rose, the condom stuff
- that follows ties the rose to the condom stuff. Judging from the mere
- presence of the condom in the poem, the rose was not wasted. It served
- its purpose. But that is a bit too crass for me , and I don't know if
- it was intended so I will not say more about that. Either way,
- a "wasted rose" does not follow.
-
- 2) Condom full of love? Alex, I feel inadequate all of a sudden. I use
- the Ramses with tip, with Spermicide, you know, the ones in the silver
- box with the purple trim (most of the time, anyway), and I have *never*
- even come close to filling one. I think it would take a minotaur, or at
- least one of Marie's ISU ruminanats -- probably one of the more
- experimental ones... I think this image is rather imprecise. :)
-
- 3) Full of love, is a cliche and badly placed. Why not full of life
- instead, or full of jism, or full of dead life?, or full of dying?,
- or just, wryly and ironically, "a fullfilled condom"?
-
- The piece has a feel of a failed haiku. It also appears to try to make a
- moralizing point and I think, if anything, makes unwarranted meal of a
- fucked girls aesthetics. Personally, I think fucked girls have every
- reason to have nice poetry written for them, poetry that attempts to find
- their views, rather than seeking juxtapositions of corny symbols that, on
- my reflection, are rather uncommunicative. This is acase of a poem that
- tries to be something that it is not.
-
- But I enjoyed reading it, because it helped me focus my thoughts on the
- subject, so thank you, Alex and by all means rewrite it if you care to.
-
- -- Marek
-