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- From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
- Subject: Re: spike lee & boston celtics
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.070657.454@u.washington.edu>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 07:06:57 GMT
- Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov21.070657.454
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- isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
- >il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
- >|myra@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Myra VanInwegen) writes:
- >|> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
- >|> >I've seen a few of his films (_Do_The_Right_Thing_, _Mo'_Better_Blues_,
- >|> >and _Jungle_Fever_) and have to disagree with you. While they were
- >|> >interesting to watch, I wouldn't have minded missing them.
- >|> > His movies incorporate a lot of very
- >|> >stylistic elements and uniquely innovative techniques.
- >|> You wouldn't have missed them despite their use of these uniquely
- >|> innovative techniques? Maybe your disagrement with the content is
- >|> blinding you to their artistic merit, which even you admit.
- >
- >|Maybe I misstated my feelings. I don't feel like I really need to
- >|see his movies any more because they all tend to be about the same
- >|subject. It's this limited scope of subject matter that I have a
- >|problem with. For me, it gets old really fast. The innovative
- >|techniques are nice, but they should be used to enhance the movie
- >|rather than become the attraction in the movie, in my opinion.
- >
- >I'd love to see you explain how _She's Got To Have It_ is "about the
- >same subject" as _Mo Better Blues_, _Do The Right Thing_, or _School
- >Daze_ or how any of those movies is about the same thing.
-
- I listed the Spike Lee movies I've seen. You list 2 others I have not
- seen. As for MBB and DTRT, I'll admit that MBB was different from the
- other 2 I've seen, but it was still not to my liking. In my opinion,
- he doesn't use his techniques very well in his movies. In fact, I
- think they distract me from the plot itself. I thought I was very
- careful to state that these were just my opinions on movies made
- by one particular director, but I guess it wasn't clear enough. I
- don't think that I made any objective critiques of his movies. The
- only objective statement I've made was that he uses innovative
- techniques. Gee, I never thought I'd be crucified for saying I
- didn't like any one particular movie (or three).
-
- >The only common thread is that there are Black people in the lead
- >roles. This does not make them the same.
-
- I didn't say that they were the same, but that they were about the
- same subject. You helped me discover my error WRT _Mo'_Better_Blues_,
- but there is a recurring theme in his movies. Furthermore, This
- particular recurring theme does not hold any particular attraction
- for me that I should keep going back for more. This is, of course,
- just personal opinion. I'm sure there are movies I like that you
- (and many others) don't, but it's a free country.
-
- >|[descriptions of some of S. Lee's techniques deleted]
- >|> >It's also blatantly obvious that
- >|> >the movies were written and directed by a black person,
- >|> Am I supposed to think that there's something wrong with this?
- >
- >|There's more to a person than his/her color. If he/she can't get beyond
- >|that, he/she is cheating him/herself as well as the world of lots of
- >|potential
- >
- >And if critics cannot get beyond this then they are cheating
- >themselves of lots of potential.
-
- You can't possibly begin to imagine how little what critics think matters
- to me.
-
- >|My problem is that his subject matter is always about racial conflicts/
- >|problems. There are many other stories to be told. As you said, there
- >|are countless white directors and writers, but very few of their movies
- >|are about the same subject. Their subject matters cover a much broader
- >|spectrum.
- >
- >You're being narrow. Linking _School Daze_ to _Mo Better Blues_ or
- >_Jungle Fever_ is a huuuuge stretch.
-
- Whatever. I never saw SD, didn't care very much for MBB, and even
- less for JF.
-
- >Show me PLEASE how these are "about the same thing."
-
- I've seen 3 of his films: _Do the Right Thing_, _Mo' Better Blues_,
- and _Jungle Fever_. I observed what I thought was a repeated
- underlying theme in both DTRT and JF (one I don't care all that much
- about). Different strokes for different folks.
-
- I've admitted I had a memory lapse about the contents of MBB.
- In fact, I do remember thinking that I'd have really liked MBB if
- someone else had directed it. Those innovative techniques I admire
- so much were distracting for me.
- --
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