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- From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
- Subject: Re: I just have a question
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.195344.1692@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 19:53:44 GMT
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- In <17062@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov18.052319.14686@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
- >>....but if you have the audacity, poor judge of character (if you can't
- >>understand Sarah Jane, best leave Falstaff alone), and sheer lack of
- >>observation to call Sarah Jane Smith a "nil brain", YOU HAVE A FIGHT ON YOUR
- >>HANDS.
-
- >Oooh. I'm sorry, I tried, but I can't pass this one up.
-
- >Also from Andrew David "Drewcifer" Simchik, a few days ago:
-
- >>Just because you like someone or something that I don't doesn't make your
- >>opinion any more valid than my own. If I dislike Ace, that's an opinion
- >>based on perception. If you like her, don't presume that you have any more
- >>of a factual basis than I do...opinion is opinion and I can't believe that
- >>you cannot comprehend this!
-
- >Hmm, Drew? So, are you now saying that some opinions come from a "sheer
- >lack of observation" and are therefore invalid?
-
- No, every opinion is valid. That doesn't mean I can't argue with them. It
- also doesn't mean that every opinion is equally valid. For example, being
- of the opinion that cyanide is good food is obviously pretty low on the
- accuracy scale. Being of the opinion that Sarah was an idiot is valid, but
- I don't think it's all that accurate.
-
- >Well, considering that in the recent Ace bash-fest, some of us cited
- >plenty of details you'd missed or ignored, but you insisted that you
- >still had the God-given right to keep shouting your opinion in our faces
- >at every opportunity no matter what the facts of the stories were...
-
- Um, sorry, but "facts" were conspicuous by their absence in that debate.
- And, see, even if you *had* cited facts, the truth is that factual argument
- works well to contradict a declarative opinion (e.g. "Sarah Jane is an
- imbecile") but it doesn't do much to a subjective opinion (e.g. "I hate
- Ace"). Whereas you have to support a statement like "X is Y," you don't
- always *have* a factual basis for "I hate Z". There's a difference
- there...just think hard.
-
- >>And if you thought the Ace thing was bad, just you wait and see how this
- >>debate flames!
-
- >...then this ought to be fun.
-
- Why didn't you disagree with me then? I was hoping for a flamefest! :)
-
- >>****************************************************************************
- >>* Andrew David Simchik * DISCLAIMER: I said it... *
- > ...and said it...
- > ...and said it...
- > ...and said it...
- >>* a.k.a. Drewcifer * No one else would! * *
- > Or felt the need to.
- >>****************************************************************************
-
- Do you think you could be any more insulting? This is hardly called for. I
- suggest you turn your attention to more weighty matters, like beating people
- with sticks.
-
- >But seriously, folks, now that I've gotten that out of my system...
-
- Amen to that.
-
- Well, there were some points I considered addressing in the rest of your
- post, but since you agreed with me, and since you've made it abundantly
- clear that you're sick of hearing from me, I shall refrain.
-
- (WILD APPLAUSE)
-
- --
- ****************************************************************************
- * Andrew David Simchik * DISCLAIMER: I said it... *
- * a.k.a. Drewcifer * No one else would! * *
- ****************************************************************************
-