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- From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
- Subject: Re: the five doctors
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 12:48:07 GMT
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- ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
-
- >> Stuff deleted. Main question was how did the 2nd Doctor know about Jamie and
- >> Zoe in the 5 Doctors since he regenerated straight after they were sent home
-
- >> Anyone want to explain this one?
- >>
-
- >We also know from dialog the Second Doctor has with the Brigadier that
- >he does now in "The Five Doctors" recall the events that happened
- >in "The Three Doctors," as they say "Don't forget Omega."
- >Also in "The Three Doctors," the Doctor all make mind-links at various
- >times in the story for rapid communications between the two or
- >three. It seems logical to me that during these communications,
- >the Second Doctor could take a nanosecond to ask the Third if Jamie and
- >Zoe are alright or what happened to them or why the Third seems to
- >have blocks on his time travel knowledge....etc.
- >So, that is when the Second could have learned of Jamie and Zoe's
- >being sent home and memoryu erasure.
-
- Good explanation. What seems to escape some people is that the Doctor's
- timeline is altered when he meets his future selves in the 3/5/2 Doctors.
-
- simple example...
-
- The second Doctor was scooped from his own time stream in the 3Doctors and
- therefore met his own next incarnation. From our view point we have viewed the
- Doctor's timeline right through from An Unearthly Child to The Three Doctors
- passing such stories as The War Games and Spearhead from Space.
-
- In Spearhead the Doctor analyzes his new face and eventually comes to the
- conclusion that it will grow on him. A few years later The Three Doctors takes
- place and his second incarnation is scooped up. When the second Doctor is
- returned to his own time stream he NOW has knowledge about his own future.
- History has been altered. If we now followed the second Doctor from this point,
- events would take a slightly different course to that which we've known and
- hence the Spearhead scene would be DIFFERENT. The Doctor would now recognise
- his new face immediately and think..."Oh of course, I'm fancy pants now aren't
- I. Oh well, seems I'm stuck with it!"
-
- One further ramble. When Zoe and Jamie were returned to their own time the
- Time Lords did say that they would remember their first adventure with the
- Doctor. This is consistent with their meeting in the Five Doctors when they
- obviously recognised the Brigadier when they couldn't have remembered him from
- the Invasion.
-
- Listen carefully to the Doctor's emphasis in the line from the Five Doctors,
- "When the Time Lords sent you back to your own time they erased your memory of
- the time you spent with me so how do you know who WE are?"
- ^^^^
- Definite emphasis on the WE.
-
- Just remember though, "It's a tricky thing this time travel business"
- Perhaps some sort of timeline diagram would help in this case...
-
- Gareth
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