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- From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
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- Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.183336.6641@m5.harvard.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 18:33:36 GMT
- References: <1992Nov7.183308.14033@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1992Nov10.143036.2167@m5.harvard.edu> <1992Nov11.021509.2727@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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- Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA
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- In article <1992Nov11.021509.2727@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov10.143036.2167@m5.harvard.edu> borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov7.183308.14033@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
- >
- >>>The interest on the debt benefits no one, rich or poor (and is more than
- >>>15%...)
- >
- >>The interest on the debt benefits those who are wealthy enough to hold a
- >>sufficiently large amount of government bonds. Those who can save enough
- >>tens of thousands of dollars in government bonds to exceed what they pay in
- >>taxes to pay that interest greatly benefit from that interest.
- >
- >DING!!!! Another person who doesn't understand economics.
- >
- >Frank, the US debt is auctioned off. If it is really a good deal - if
- >the people holding it really benefited significantly - then the market
- >price of the bonds would go up and people would no longer be able to
- >buy them at a price which let them benefit significantly.
-
- It wasn't Frank who said that the debt benefits the wealthy - it was me.
-
- >Yes, people with bonds get interest. On the other hand, they have
- >their money in a relatively illiquid investment and they are exposed
- >to significant risk - if interest rates go up the value of their bond
- >will decrease.
-
- Well, no one is forcing them to buy government bonds, so they must think
- that it's worth their while to buy them, in other words, that they will
- benefit by purchasing government bonds. Otherwise, why would they buy them?
- Probably because they're a very secure investment - the US federal government
- isn't likely to default on its debts. In any case, the money _does_ flow
- from those who pay taxes to those who hold bonds, with absolute certainty.
-
- >Note, by the way, that this means that as soon as anyone buys
- >government bonds it is in their interest to persuade the government to
- >stop borrowing any more money so that there will be fewer bonds
- >available and the ones in their greedy little hands are worth more.
-
- Well, they haven't been very successful, apparently.
-
- >In short, you don't know what you are talking about.
-
- Now, now. Mind your manners, please.
-
- - Dave Borden
- borden@m5.harvard.edu
-