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- From: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden)
- Newsgroups: misc.writing
- Subject: Re: What is an antagonist?
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 15:23:16 GMT
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- In article <92325.090756KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Jon L. Campbell <KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
- |Fred Weldon writes that a story doesn't necessarily need an antagonist.
- It's Welden. And while I'm up, Crawford Kilian has only one "l" in
- his last name. I know, spelling flames are a no-no, but you really
- ought to get people's names right.
-
- | I suppose that this is true, but ask: What really is an antagonist?
-
- Our local xwebster defines antagonist as "one who contends with or
- opposes another," plus a bunch of definitions from physiology (as in
- atropine being a morphine antagonist.)
-
- |[Describes a story about a man who seems to be sliding into alcoholic
- |ruin.]
- |
- | Fairly boring plot so far, but has anyone identified the antagonist?
- |Even if the story progressed to the point that he returns to work without
- |permission and gets into a conflict with his boss, the antagonist isn't
- |necessarily his boss. Then who or what is the antagonist? > Booze?
- |
- | I don't know if booze could be called the antagonist, but unless the
- |story has no conflict or element of conflict then shouldn't there be an
- |antagonist somewhere? If the word antagonist is a noun, then woudn't it
- |be reasonable to suggest that every instigator of a conflict is an
- |antagonist in disguise?
-
- 1) The booze is not opposing the actions of the protagonist, nor is it
- contending with him. Unless the author personifies it, the booze isn't
- doing anything at all. It isn't a character in the story.
-
- 2) As I said before, given sufficiently powerful analytical tools you
- can force any story into the protagonist/antagonist mold, but in doing
- that you might well squeeze all the juice out of it. You haven't even
- considered the possibility that the reader might be the antagonist, or
- maybe the editor is, or the typesetter!
-
- | Like I said before, Imagine a story where you believe there isn't
- |a clearly identifiable antagonist and apply a simple test. Look for the
- |conflict, if there is one, and pick out the instigator in the conflict.
- |That person, place, or thing may be the antagonist in disguise, but
- |could be cleverly hidden. Even in a story where there is a serial
- |killer as the central character there could be a hidden antagonist
- |lurking in the shadows. Say that the serial killer (she this time) is
- |the protagonist and we follow her development in the story. From the
- |first murder through reconciliation (resolution/denouncement) with her
- |inner self. We follow her as she denounces her actions and seeks to find
- |a way to end her abusive behavior. She recognizes that what she does is
- |wrong and must find a way to stop. If this story is a clearly identified
- |path of causual events that lead to a climaxtic closure as I suppose most
- |stories do, then would it not be reasonable to suggest that her victims
- |are the antagonists? Even in a story where we treat the killer with such
- |sympathy and agree that the actions of the killer were warranted from their
- |point of view, wouldn't the victims then become the antagonist?
-
- I suggest the following exercise. Imagine that you are constructing a
- lengthy post posing a bunch of questions about what might constitute the
- antagonist in various kinds of stories. Imagine that you suggest that
- anything or anyone in the story might be an antagonist, even if they do
- nothing that seems particularly antagonistic. Now apply this simple
- test: try to explain to yourself what possible difference it could make
- whether every story had an antagonist like that or not? What possible
- meaning is left for the word "antagonist?"
-
- --
- --Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC | sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
- Hellenic poet of the same name. |
-