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- From: dbinford@convex.com (David Binford)
- Subject: Re: Questions about Whole Life Insurance from New York Life...
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:13:08 GMT
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- Okay, here you go, but you are getting what you paid for with this advice.
- Take it or leave it.
-
- In article <1992Nov14.031038.26642@alw.nih.gov> vos@helix.nih.gov (Peter Vos) writes:
- >Hello Netters,
- > buying life insurance. We spent several hours with an independent
- > agent who was pushing New York Life.
- > We had settled on whole life insurance for each of us.
-
- Make sure you are meeting your needs, not your agents. An agent should
- not have to "push" you to buy something you need nor should you ever have
- to "settle" on something you need.
-
- > Our
- > concerns were 1) to provide money to cover kids college costs (assume
- > two-although none exist as yet);
-
- Assuming you will both be living when your kids reach college age, you need
- investment, not insurance for this. To be safe, you might want to take out
- a term policy that will cease when the (to be) kids graduate, in case
- something happen's.
-
- >2) to cover any mortgage costs on
- > a house (as yet not purchased);
-
- I assume you mean that if one of you passed away, you would use the
- insurance to cover the mortgage. Since your mortgage is a fixed term,
- what you really need is insurance that will cover the income you loose
- by not having your spouse's income any longer for the term of the loan.
- This does not sound like Whole life -- this sounds like some form of a
- term policy that covers this loss in income during the term of the loan.
- More like a decreasing term policy.
-
- > and 3) to provide a form of retirement
- > income as we are not invested in any pension plans.
-
- Again you are looking for investment income here, not insurance. I believe
- that if you look, you will find that the insurance community does not
- have as good of return as the investment community, i.e. mutual funds, etc.
-
- > We discounted term life insurance since we have the
- > means to pay the premiums on whole life, and because of the interest
- > in providing some source of income for our dotage.
-
- If you have the means, my sugestion would be shop around to get
- inexpensive term policies for insurance and put the extra in pure investment
- vehicles.
-
- What you have to remember with whole-life is that it is really a very
- expensive decreasing term policy. Why do they encourage you to build
- up your cash value?
- Your Their
- Policy Cash Value Payable@death Money/ Money
- ------- -------- ------------ ---------------------
- Scenerio#1 $500K $400K $500K <=> 400K / 100K
- Scenerio#2 $500K $800K $800K <=> 800K / 0
-
- For every dollar you "invest", you are decreasing their death benefit.
- When your cash value is greater than your death benefit, your
- insurance company is not providing any death benefit--You are
- self-insured. What you have at this point amounts to a very expensive
- mutual fund, they are just managing your money.
-
- I have read that you can purchase some whole life policies that also
- pay the death benefit + your cash value. Care to guess how much more
- this cost? I don't know, but if you are looking seriously at whole
- life, make sure you get what you want, either a plan puts you
- on the road toward self-insurance OR death benefit + cash value.
-
- There is one other thing that turns me off with an insurance policy
- also doing my investing where you are locked into a family of funds.
- By enrolling in a policy like this, you are signing up with their
- money managers and their managment fees for LIFE.
-
- Whole life is really an expensive decreasing term policy that you turn
- into an expensive mutual fund.
-
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