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- From: manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes)
- Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Sell House
- Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:53:57 GMT
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- Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
- : In article 17v@magpie.nycenet.edu, manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes) writes:
- : >Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
- : >:
- : >: For a well maintained house in a desirable location, there is seldom
- : >: any compelling reason to list the house through an agent.
- : >
- : >For well-maintained house in a desirable location, and a seller who
- : >has years to make the sale.
- :
- : Simply not true. The sale may take somewhat longer, simply due to the
- : sheer number of people who know about it via MLS, but "years" is
- : ridiculous.
-
- You read me too literally, although one of the owner-represented
- houses I looked at has been on the market since early 1989 (almost
- four years). Reason: the house was overpriced by at least $100k.
- He's selling the house himself because brokers won't touch it
- at his price, or at least that's what a local agent told me.
-
- Besides lack of access to the local real estate board listings,
- which reduces your buyer pool significantly, representing a house
- yourself means that you have to work your prospective buyer's
- schedule around your own. How many people can take off work to show
- their homes on weekday afternoons, for instance?
-
- : How about otherwise reasonably priced houses
- : whose asking price is artifically inflated 6% to cover agents' fees?
-
- This infers that owner-represented homes have asking prices 6% less
- than agency-represented homes, which I didn't see even once. Unless
- you're a naive buyer, before you make any bid on a home you've
- already studied what similar houses in the area have recently sold
- for; their asking prices and their sales prices. That data is
- available from the local real estate board although, for obvious
- reasons, the agent won't volunteer this information. You have to ask
- for it.
-
- : If you expect more honest answers about a house from an agent looking
- : to close the sale ASAP, with legal obligations to the seller (as has
- : been discussed), than from the people who live there, you are living in
- : a fantasy, IMHO.
-
- I didn't say that a prospective buyer should take an agent's word. In
- fact, I said just the opposite: get hard documentation to back any claims
- made by either agent OR seller. If you use an agent however, you can
- tell him or her to do the City Hall/Hall of Records gruntwork for you.
- The agency who repped the house I just bought (Settlers and Traders
- of Westport, CT) was happy to get me all the documentation I needed,
- including a copy of the survey, inspection certificates for an addition
- at the rear of the house and for a new chimney, a letter from the current
- owner's septic cleaning company with an appraisal of the current system.
- This was BEFORE I made a bid, not after they had my earnest money. In
- the meantime, I looked at more houses.
-
- Sure, I probably could have done this work myself... if I wasn't working
- during gub'mnt hours and I didn't live 70 miles away. Even if Catherine
- Calise (the agent) was working for the seller/herself, she was a major,
- major time saver for me.
-
- : >In one owner-represented case, I saw a nice house with a new
- : >addition that, although well-executed, looked suspiciously
- : >home-made (no access to crawl space, no soffet vents, no ridge
- : >vent). The owner was less than informative in his response to my
- : >questions about who did the work, which left my only recourse being
- : >a time-consuming search of building permits and inspections at city
- : >hall to make sure that I was looking at something insurable.
- :
- : 1. Tell the owner you are interested, but you need to see said
- : documentation before putting down any money. If he wants to sell the
- : house, he will provide it.
-
- If the work is legit, you're right. If it's bandit work, he may own
- up to it and agree to pay for an inspection and any contracting
- costs to bring the disputed item up to code... or he may waste your
- time promising to get documentation that's not there, hoping that
- you'll like the house anyway and will make it up to you at
- negotiation time.
-
- : 2. Hire a professional to inspect the house and the addition, and
- : certify that it conforms to the local building code (something I would
- : do with *any* house I was serious about buying, anyway).
-
- Unless you're paying cash for the house, any mortgage lender will
- insist that the house be inspected by a licensed housing inspector
- prior to contract, for everything from code violations to termites
- to a leaky roof. But I prefer to have this information in my hands
- at the walk-through, not after I've signed a bid, not after I've paid
- a private inspector upwards of $350.
-
- In this r/e market (the northeast), it looks like one out of every
- five homes is actively for sale. If you've got a serious edge on
- your competition -- something that would set your house out from
- everything else in the neighborhood, something that would cause
- people to stop and knock on your door -- and you have the time to
- do it, by all means: rep it yourself! If not, you're dreaming
- if you think you can compete with full-time professionals.
-
- Sure, you could drop your price 6% to entice a few buyers away from
- the agencies but WTF have you gained? You've avoided an agency
- commission at the expense of taking on the agent's job yourself for
- no compensation. What a deal!
-
- --
- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.nycenet.edu
- Manes and Associates/Commontech-NoHo New York, NY, USA =o&>o
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