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- From: aoki@physics.ucla.edu (Ken-ichiro Aoki)
- Subject: Re: GNU stuff is a pain to install, and I can't get any help!
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.183516.13821@physics.ucla.edu>
- Summary: mumble, mumble
- Keywords: GNU software, installation,
- Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
- References: <EJH.92Nov18111609@khonshu.colorado.edu> <BALDWIN.92Nov19004436@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:35:16 GMT
- Lines: 56
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- The original article generated some thoughtful posts,
- but I would like to chip in with a few points which seems
- not mentioned. Also, I am no C wiz, no unix guru nor a full
- time sysadmin, so it might come off a bit different.
-
- GNU stuff is a lot of stuff. There is a substantial fraction that
- installs trivially. Personally I have installed some
- smaller stuff like fileutils, shellutils, tar, compress
- which have all compiled+installed trivially on both
- NeXTs and sometimes on sparcs. Also, bash has compiled trivially
- on both platforms. All these utilities have been
- useful to us, they are much better than their unix
- counterparts when the unix counterparts exist.
- eg. tar which can do remote dumps, VERY fast grep,
- cut which does not come with NeXT, bash, my favorite
- shell, etc.
-
- On bigger projects like gcc, libgcc, g++, gdb, emacs, bash, etc,
- it would be nice if stuff did install trivially
- and in some cases they do. But compiling+installing a fully
- working compiler from the source by bootstrapping
- sounds like a serious biz to me. I wouldn't be surprised
- if it did not work perfectly the first time around.
- (I have not compiled gcc, since I use NeXTs mostly
- and they come with gcc, albeit older version.)
-
- When I have had problems, I have posted bug reports
- to the net or have emailed it to the maintainers.
- I have either gotten help from the net or picked
- up a newer version a few weeks to a couple months) later
- to find that the problem has gone.
- Also, some archives carry compiled versions in addition
- to the source so that you can often avoid the trouble/pleasure
- of compiling if you wish (this is true in the NeXT community, must
- be true of the muuuch larger sun community too, I should think.)
-
- Also, I think that having the code out in the open
- is a *good thing*. As we can see, people report in bugs,
- fixes and requests all the time on the net. As a result,
- I think the GNU software evolves more rapidly than
- the usual commercial software.
-
- I really appreciate the quality software the GNU project
- has given us for free. I believe in the GNU philosophy
- and I do not think they will become developers' tools.
- Even if they did, people will not be able to charge
- that much for installing or putting nice frontends
- to GNU soft since they will be undercut (since it is
- usually not difficult)
-
- I just reread this; hmm... Am I wearing my rose-tinted glasses
- today....
-
- Hoping that GNU project proceeds steadily and with energy,
- --
- ___Kenichiro Aoki. (aoki@physics.ucla.edu)
-