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- From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
- Subject: Re: GNU stuff is a pain to install, and I can't get any help!
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- Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:00:36 GMT
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- I agree with Edward J. Hartnett in that some of the GNU stuff I've downloaded
- has been neat to hear about and see other people using, but some of it is
- uninstallable on my platform (NeXTSTEP 3.0). I had to get a lot of help before
- I could install the latest emacs 18.59, I believe. I still haven't been able
- to just compile the latest versions of gcc, gdb and oleo.
-
- I too was curious how many other people feel this way, but since the majority
- of GNU software is installed on UNIX machines and UNIX is mainly the OS for
- programmers, not users, most of the people on USENET reading this message will
- probably not identify with Edward J. Hartnett's post. Therefore, when it comes
- to getting one's hand held for installing 1 or 2 pieces of GNU software, which
- it sounds like all some people need to get them on their way to being able to
- install other software, it would help if there were a way to learn to do it
- without needing to read 10 manuals on every function of C, UNIX and programming
- hints of one sort or another.
-
- When I think about the whole GNU idea, I wonder if it will ever take off in a
- big way. I fear that it will become just another user-unfriendly,
- UNIX-lookalike, enormous set of tools where very few actual applications exist,
- just a *lot* of development tools. I'm grateful for the idea of exchanging
- software ideas and code freely, but the implementation lacks any advantage for
- those who use computers for something other than managing other computers.
-
- In summary, I feel the following about todays computers (applicable to UNIX
- machines and GNU software): Computers were made to help people complete work
- that they would have to do anyways. When you have to hire someone to keep
- track of things going on with your computer, or if you construct or use an OS
- that takes years to learn where the knowledge of how to do things rests only
- with a certain few (aka, UNIX gurus), you have a bad computer. This is in
- direct violation of the purpose for computers because it makes them harder to
- understand and operate.
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- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
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