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- From: lubkin@cs.rochester.edu (Saul Lubkin)
- Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.text,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: MicrosoftWord -> rtf, and WriteNow -> rtf, problems
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.042619.19317@cs.rochester.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 04:26:19 GMT
- Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
- Lines: 79
-
- I have a large technical book, with a lot of equations, that was written
- in Mac WriteNow. I'm trying to convert it to TeX. My method is to
- first save the files as .rtf files, and then convert the .rtf files
- to TeX, using Richard Lupton's "rtf2TeX" program.
-
- I've found that the converted .rtf files have a lot of non-ascii
- characters in it -- characters with the high bit set. I fixed
- this, using a PD "fixrtf" program, and a filter that I designed.
-
- Still there are some major problems -- e.g., WriteNow apparently doesn't
- properly save "{" and "}" characters in the .rtf file.
-
- So, I decided on another approach. Namely, first convert the files
- to Microsoft Word, then save as .rtf files, and then use "rtf2TeX".
-
- The files converted alright to Microsoft Word. But, when the MSW
- files were saved as .rtf files -- SURPRISE! The resulting .rtf files
- were even worse than when made with WriteNow.
-
- Here's a sample from a note that I sent to a friend:
-
- >(1) The rtf file made via Microsoft Word (wn -> Microsoft Word -> rtf)
- >appears to be almost useless. It contains MUCH more non-ascii
- >characters than the "wn ->rtf" version -- about ten times as many
- >characters with the high bit set.
- >
- >In fact, even the preamble to the rtf file -- which is supposed to
- >define fonts, etc. -- consists almost entirely of non-ascii characters
- >with the high bit set. (Not so for the "wn -> rtf" file -- it has a
- >legal ascii preamble.)
- >
- >Converting this file to TeX, using rtf2TeX, produces a pretty useless
- >file. E.g., to mention one thing, all subscript and superscript
- >information is lost -- and Greek letters come out as ordinary Roman
- >ones. And math mode is totally lost, too. Conversion to plain ascii --
- >losing all formatting codes -- would be preferable to using this
- >"wn -> Microsoft Word -> rtf" file.
- >
- >But the fact that it is so bad is VERY strange -- maybe even suspicious.
- >"rtf" is a format invented by Microsoft, supposedly to be a pure ascii
- >foramt, that is supposedly platform, OS and application independent.
- >Granted that it fails miserably in this (it is OS dependent, platform
- >dependent and application dependent -- and does not seem to be pure
- >ascii for anything that we've tried yet :) -- still, since Microsoft
- >Word is Microsoft's own application, and rtf is Microsoft's own
- >standard, it is VERY suspicious that an rtf file prepared from
- >Microsoft Word should not even have an ascii preamble.
- >
- >I'm further perplexed, by the several postings that I've read to
- >the Internet newsgroup, "comp.text.tex", in which users indicate
- >success converting Microsoft Word documents to TeX, by first exporting
- >as rtf documents, and then using rtf2TeX. This definitely would not
- >be possible, if the PREAMBLE -- with e.g. the font information --
- >was not in the appropriate rtf ascii format.
- >
- >So, I'm wondering: Is there more than one way to save a Microsoft
- >Word document in rtf format? I suspect that some other way MUST
- >exist, that at least generates a legal rtf preamble.
- >
- >I'd like your comments on this.
- >
- >If possible, I'd like to know your comments about (1).
-
- It all seems very strange. Could it be that some versions of Word make
- good .rtf files, and others not? I'd much appreciate anyone's
- comments on this, or suggestions on how to get a decent .rtf file
- by this or any other method.
-
- As I don't read this newsgroup regularly, I'd be most grateful for an
- email note. When I understand what's going on, I'll summarize -- and
- I will also publicly thank those who have helped in the Introduction
- of the final published work (a large technical research book in pure
- mathenmatics).
-
- Thanks in advance,
-
- Sincerely yours,
-
- Saul Lubkin
-