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- From: mueller@hydra.cs.unc.edu (Carl Mueller)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
- Subject: Re: HELP! Suns forsale, no idea what they are!
- Message-ID: <17624@borg.cs.unc.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 03:19:51 GMT
- References: <BRIAN.92Nov16141835@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>
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- Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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- brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:
- > I've been put in charge of selling off several old sun 3's. I've got
- > dozens of boards with DATA COMMAND DATA and I don't know what they
- > are.
-
- Sound like SMD disk controllers.
-
- > I've also got a 3/160, 3/260, several 3/60,3/75's and
- > 3 model# 667? The 667's have the same case with only the DATA COMMAND
- > stuff in the back panel.
-
- These are all 68020 based systems, 16-25 Mhz.
-
- There were several requests recently for a "What's What in Sun Systems"
- list, so I'll dig up what I have saved so far.
-
- ***** CLIP-N-SAVE *****
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-
- From: doug@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
- Subject: Re: Looking for a way to upgrade a Sun-2/120 to a Sun-3
- Date: 1 Feb 92 07:31:38 GMT
- Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland
-
- [text deleted...]
-
- Here are the Sun CPUs listed in the Field Engineer Handbook (an earlier
- edition):
-
- Processor Systems used in Sun part number(s)
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Sun 2 Multibus Sun-2/100U/120/150U/170 501-1007
- Sun 2 Multibus Prime Sun-2/120/170 501-1051
- Sun 2050 CPU Sun-2/50 501-1141/1142/1143
- Sun-2/130/160 501-1144/1145/1146
- Sun 3/50 Sun-3/50 501-1075/1133/1162/1207
- Sun 3/60 Sun-3/60 501-1205/1322/1334/1345
- Sun 3/60LE Sun-3/60LE 501-1378
- Sun 3/80 Sun-3/80 501-1401-10/1401/1650
- Sun 3004 (3/1xx series) Sun-3/75/140/150/160/180 501-1074/1094/1163/1164
- Sun-3/140/150/160/180 501-1208
- Sun 3/110 Sun-3/110 501-1134/1209
- Sun 3200 (3/2xx series) Sun-3/260/280 501-1100/1206
- Sun 3400 (3/4xx series) Sun-3/460/470/480 501-1299/1550
- Sun386i/150 Sun386i/150 501-1241/1414
- Sun386i/250 Sun386i250 501-1324/1413
- Sun 3/E (6U form) Sun-3/E 501-8028
- Sun 4/20 Sun-4/20 501-1627/1680/1720/1748/1776/
- 1777
- Sun 4/40 Sun-4/40 501-1689/1690/1835
- Sun 4/60 Sun-4/60 501-1382-12/1382-13/1382-14/
- 1629/1629-14
- Sun 4/65 Sun-4/65 501-1632
- Sun 4/75 Sun-4/75 501-1638/1744
- Sun 4100 Sun-4/110/150 501-1199/1237/1462/1463/1512/
- 1513/1514/1515/1464/
- 1465/1516/1517/1656/
- 1657/1658/1659/1660/
- (many others)
- Sun 4200 Sun-4/260/280 501-1129/1491/1522
- Sun 4300 Sun-4/310/330/350/360/ 501-1316/1742
- 370/380/390
- Sun 4400 Sun-4/470/490 501-1381
-
- Sun 4E (6U form) Sun-4/E SPARCengine 1E 501-8058/8035
-
- [the Sun 3/75 was a 3/1xx board in a small chassis. -Carl]
-
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: aek@Apple.COM (Al Kossow)
- Subject: general info on sun models
- Date: 25 Jan 92 17:16:43 GMT
- Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer, Cupertino CA
-
- Here's a general list of machines (from memory) [with corrections]
-
- Sun1's These are the large black desktop boxes with 17" monitors. Used
- the original Stanford-designed video board. Uses a parallel
- microswitch keyboard and parallel mouse
-
- 100 Used design similar to original SUN (Stanford University Network)
- CPU, version 1.5 CPU could take larger RAMS. Pre-dates Sun's 4.2
- port (ran Unisoft V7) (68010 CPU instead of SUN's 68000) 10Mhz.
-
- 100u "Brain transplant" for 100 series. Replaces CPU and memory card
- with first-generation Sun2 CPU and memory boards so original customers
- could run SunOS V1. (still has parallel kb/mouse intf so old kbds
- would work)
-
- 170 Rack-mounted server. Slightly different chassis design than 2/170's
-
- Sun2's
-
- 2/120 Multibus-based 68010 10Mhz. First machines that had desk-side chassis
- Serial Microswitch keyboard, Mouse Systems Optical mouse. 7Mb memory
- max. Cards are CPU, 1 or 4 meg memory board, ethernet board, SCSI
- board, 640 * 480 color board, monochrome video board, SMD controller,
- tape controller, 16 port serial mux (ALM-1)
-
- Two variants of video board, one generated TTL-level video, on ECL.
- Later video boards ("2prime") could generate either levels. Early
- 19" mono monitors (philips or moniterm) could be switched as well.
-
- 2/1xx's with a monochrome display can only have 7megs max, since the
- frame buffer appears in the 8th meg
-
- 2/170 Rack-mounted Multibus chassis server
-
- 2/50 VME Sun2 style CPU 2 slot chassis. Optional SCSI board (model name
- is SCSI-2; 2'nd SCSI design.. first was for 2/1xx's) sat on mem
- expansion board in 2nd slot. CPU board had 1,2,or 4 megs mem, 10Mhz
- 68010 CPU, ethernet, two serial ports. Memory expansion boards
- are 1,2 or 4 megs has well.
-
- 2/160 First machine to use 12 slot desk-side VME chassis. Many has CPU
- upgrades to 3/160's. Had 4 fan cooling tray instead of 6 in later
- machines, have cooling problems with lots of cards. Also only had
- 4 P2 memory connectors bussed instead of 6.
-
-
- SunOS 4.0 was the last release with Sun2 support
-
- Sun 3's
-
- 3/160 First 68020 based Sun machine. Uses "Carerra" CPU, which is used
- in lots of other Sun3 variants. 4Mb on-board memory. Sun's mem
- expansion goes on 4 Meg memory expansion boards; third parties had
- up to 32 megs on one card. SCSI was optional. One variant of the
- memory card held the 6u VME SCSI board, other version sat in slot7
- of the backplane and ran the SCSI out the back of the backplane to
- the internal disc/tape. CPU has 2 serial, ethernet, kbd ports.
-
- 3/75 2 slot desktop chassis, optional SCSI sits in 2nd slot on mem exp bd.
- 3/140 3 slot chassis
- 3/150 6 slot chassis
-
- 3/110 similar to Carerra CPU, but has 8 bit color frame buffer on board and
- uses 1meg rams for 4meg on-cpu memory. 3 slot VME chassis.
- Code named "Prism."
-
- 3/50 15.7MHz cpu, cycle-stealing monochome frame buffer. 4mb mem max (3rd
- party mem expansions boards were sold, though) No bus. On board SCSI.
-
- 3/60 20Mhz 020 cpu, VRAM monochome frame buffer. optional color frame buffer
- (could run mono and color from same board) No bus. On board SCSI. SIMM
- memory, up to 24mb (100ns * 9 SIMMS). High (1600*1100) or low (1152*870)
- resolution mono selectable by jumper. "GX" frame buffer also was avail.
-
- 3/260
- 3/280 25MHz 68020. 2 serial ports, enet, kb on CPU. High resolution mono only.
- No CPU board memory (space taken up with a cache). Memory boards in 8
- meg increments. "Sun4" 32meg boards work (at least for the first 32
- megs, never had more than one to try 64..) Code named "Sirius."
-
- 3/80 68030 CPU. Similar packaging to SparcStationI. The 030 machines were
- actively marketed, since Sun had decided to drop the Sun3 line soon
- after the machines were announced.
-
- SunOS 4.1.1 was the last release with Sun3 Support
- Sun4
-
- 4/260
- 4/280 First SPARC CPU board; can replace the CPU in 3/260's or 3/280's
-
- 4/110 First desk-top SPARC. CPU doesn't support VME bus master cards, so
- DMA disc and tape boards won't work with it. Really intended as single-
- board machine. Has on board SCSI, 2 serial ports, enet, kbd. "P4" frame
- buffer could be monochrome or color.
-
-
- I haven't poked inside of anything newer than this. I'm sure someone else
- can send out the info for Sun4c and newer machines..
-
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: doug@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
- Subject: Re: Need information on Sun cg3 Framebuffer
- Date: 4 Feb 92 02:19:02 GMT
- Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland
-
- [request for info on frame buffers deleted. -Carl]
-
- For VMEbus:
-
- 2160 Color Frame Buffer 2/160 3/160/180/260/280/460/470/480 501-1014
- 1152 x 900 62KHz 66Hz
- GP Graphics Processor 2/160 3/160/180/260/280/460/480 501-1055
- 4/150/260/280/330/350/360/370/380
- GP+ Graphics Processor (same as GP) 501-1139
-
- GB Graphics Buffer (same as GP) 501-1058
-
- 3160 (CG3) CFB Same as GP but no 2/160 supported 501-1116
- 1152 x 900 62KHz 66Hz 1089
- 1319
- CG5 Color Frame Buffer Same as CG3 but adding support for 501-1267
- 4/470/490
- GP2 Graphics Processor Same as CG5 501-1268
-
- CG9 24-bit CFB Same as CG5 501-1434
- 1152 x 900 62KHz 66Hz
- TAAC-1 Appl Accelerator Same as CG5 two board set POP brd 501-1383
- DFB brd 1447
-
-
- That's about it for VME bus machines...
-
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: covert@s4.csrd.uiuc.edu (Jeannie Covert)
- Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Sun Machines
- Date: 30 Jun 92 02:37:59 GMT
- Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
-
- covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
-
- >I know that this isn't an ad, but what with all of the Sun
- >computers offered for sale here I hoped that someone could answer
- >some questions about sun computers.
-
- >First, what the CPUs used in various Sun computers?
- >I think that Sun 3 machines used 68020/30/40 CPUs.
- >I think that Sun 4 machines used Sun SPARC CPUs.
- >I think that Sun used to sell Intel 80x86 based machines also.
-
- Well, I sure opened my big mouth and stuck both feet in. The response
- for a copy of the sun3 and sun4 tables has been overwhelming. So
- much that we can not afford to fax the tables out. Instead, I'm posting
- here. BUT the amount of time that it took just to type all of this in
- (no, we don't have a scanner yet) and the original question was about
- the used sun machines, I decided to give you the tables for the older
- models. If I get sometime I'll post the newer/newest (to be) machines later.
-
-
- Sun3 Configurations
-
- 3/150
- 3/50 3/60 3/80 3/160
- __________________________________________________________________________
-
- PROCESSOR
- CPU MC68020 MC68020 MC68030 MC68020
- CPU (clock) 15 20 20 16.67
- FPC MC68881 MC68881 MC68882 MC68881
- MMU Sun-3 Sun-3 n/a Sun-3
- Virtual Mem 256Mb 256Mb 4Gb 256Mb
- Hard. Contexts8 8 n/a 8
- CPU Performance 1.5 MIPS 3 MIPS 3 MIPS 2 MIPS
-
- MEMORY
- Standard 4MB 4MB 4MB 4MB
- Maximum 4MB 24MB 16Mb 16Mb
- Error Detect bp bp bp bp
- Cycle Time 270ns 200ns 100ns 270ns
-
-
- 3/260 3/470
- 3/280 3/480
- ___________________________________________
-
- PROCESSOR
- CPU MC68020 MC68030
- CPU (clock) 25 33
- FPC MC68881 MC68882
- MMU Sun-3 n/a
- Virtual Mem 256Mb 4Gb/per process
- Hard. Contexts 8 n/a
- CPU Performance 4 MIPS 7 MIPS
-
- MEMORY
- Standard 8,16,or32Mb 8,16,or32Mb
- Maximum 64MB 128MB
- Error Detect ECC ECC
- Cycle Time 80ns 80ns
-
-
- Sun4 Configurations
-
- SPARCstation SPARCstation
- 4/100 4/200 1 330
- __________________________________________________________________________
-
- PROCESSOR
- CPU MB86900IU SF9010IU SPARC CY7C601
- CPU (clock) 14.28 16.67 20 25
- FPU Weitek1164/1165 SF9010FPC Weitek 3170 TI8847
- MMU Sun-4 Sun-4 Sun-4 Sun-4
- Virtual Mem 1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process .5Gb/per process 1Gb/per processHard. Contexts 8 16 8 16
- CPU Performance 7 MIPS 10 MIPS 12.5 MIPS 16 MIPS
-
- MEMORY
- Standard 8,16 or 32Mb 8 or 32Mb 8MB 8MB
- Maximum 32MB 128MB 16Mb 40Mb
- Error Detect parity ECC synchronous synchronous
- parity parity
- Cycle Time 70ns 60ns 50ns 40ns
-
-
- SPARCstation SPARCserver SPARCserver SPARCserver
- 370 330 370 390
- __________________________________________________________________________
-
- PROCESSOR
- CPU CY7C601 CY7C601 CY7C601 CY7C601
- CPU (clock) 25 25 25 25
- FPU TI8847 TI8847 TI8847 TI8847
- MMU Sun-4 Sun-4 Sun-4 Sun-4
- Virtual Mem 1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process
- Hard. Contexts 16 16 16 16
- CPU Performance 16 MIPS 16 MIPS 16 MIPS 16 MIPS
-
- MEMORY
- Standard 8Mb 8Mb 8MB 8MB
- Maximum 56MB 40Mb 56Mb 56Mb
- Error Detect synchronous synchronous synchronous synchronous
- parity parity parity parity
- Cycle Time 40ns 40ns 40ns 40ns
-
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- [While I'm at it, someone also requested these. -Carl]
-
- From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
- Subject: Errata - sun video connectors
- Date: 9 Jan 92 03:37:40 GMT
- Organization: The Duck Pond public unix, Santa Clara, CA
-
- Whoops. Found some errors in my earlier Sun video connector posting.
- Here's the correct data:
-
-
- Analog:
-
- +----------------- * gnd
- | +------------- * vertical sync
- | | +--------- sense 2
- | | | +----- sense common (gnd)
- | | | | +- composite sync
- | | | | |
- | | | | | grey
- red | | | | | green blue
- | 1o o o o 5o | |
- (O) (O) (O)
- 6o o o o 1o0
- | | | | |
- | | | | +--- composite common (gnd)
- | | | +------- sense 0
- | | +----------- sense 1
- | +--------------- * gnd
- +------------------- * horizontal sync
-
- * May be NC. My spies tell me Sun considers these obsolete.
-
- 'green' is used by greyscale monitors for video input.
-
- Sense table - 1=nc, 0=strap to gnd
-
- sense type
- 0 TBD (?)
- 1 Reserved
- 2 1280x1024, 76Hz
- 3 1152x900, 66Hz
- 4 1152x900, 76Hz, 19"
- 5 Reserved
- 6 1152x900, 76Hz, 16 or 17"
- 7 Nothing (no monitor connected)
-
- ECL:
-
- Vert
- vid+ Horiz |
- | | |
- 1o o o o 5o
-
- 6o o o 9o
- | | | |
- | +---+---+
- | |
- Vid- gnd
-
-
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- ***** CLIP-N-SAVE *****
-
- In order to estimate the market value of your systems, try calling up
- a used Sun reseller (see ads in Sun World, Sun Expert, etc). Then cut
- these prices by a healthy percentage to get some real prices.
-
- -Carl (mueller@cs.unc.edu)
-