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- From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang)
- Subject: Re: Apple Crippling Systems?!?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.101104.10643@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSO, Stanford University
- References: <1992Nov23.051058.6554@mcs.drexel.edu>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:11:04 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov23.051058.6554@mcs.drexel.edu> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu
- (Jonathan Hendry) writes:
- <stuff deleted>
- > The point is that, I believe, the floating point operations that WERE
- > implemented don't work. In other words, Motorola makes an 040. They test
- > it, and find that the floating-point operations are not "up to spec". So
- > they sell it as the 680LC40 (or something to that effect) as an 040
- > minus the floating point functions. You are correct about the 68040 and
- > floating point operations. However Motorola does sell a low-cost 040.
- > How else would they do that? The on-chip PMMU operations are more crucial
- > than FPU operations, I would think, so they would sell 040's without
- functional
- > fpu operations.
- >
- > Another way of looking at it is that on the 680LC40, ALL floating-point is
- done in software, and not just the trans. functions.
-
- Oh. This is the first I've heard of the 680LC40. Now it makes sense why
- people were jumping all over me. I thought the discussion was about the
- 68040, the very same that we have in the NeXT and Quadras. (But the call sign
- used above was 68040, I plead!) But I don't understand why they would have
- problems building a '040 -- after all, they've been around for over a year!
- Are they trying to build a low-power version? Otherwise it makes no sense at
- all. It's hard to imagine a chip design failing for the FP operations being
- not "up to spec". After all, it's not an analog circuit. And digital logic
- is, by definition, up to spec. So it would have to be intentional, I surmise.
-
- > Remember, I'm not knocking the 040. Hell, I own a NeXT Cube 040, and it
- > doesn't suffer from not having a coprocessor. (After all, Postscript
- > coordinates are floats, and it runs pretty darn quick).
-
- Well, the NeXT does suffer from not having a faster processor, in the sense
- that I would like 200MIPS instead of the current average of 25, and 3 MFLOPS
- (for a Turbo).
-
- > In a nutshell, "crippled" doesn't refer to the 68040 itself, but to a less
- expensive verion of the 68040.
- >
-
- OK, we all understand each other now!
-
- -Avery
-