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- From: croley@r2d2.mcc.com (David Croley)
- Subject: Re: 25MHz IIsi and my engineering friend
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.143347.10328@mcc.com>
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- Reply-To: croley@r2d2.mcc.com (David Croley)
- Organization: MCC CAD Program
- References: <1992Nov15.121708.24693@news.acns.nwu.edu> <lgo13jINNid0@lion.cs.utexas.edu>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:33:47 GMT
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- In article <lgo13jINNid0@lion.cs.utexas.edu>, benkei@cs.utexas.edu
- (William Kent Richards) writes:
- |>
- |>I have a friend who worked at Motorola in the 680x0 fab labs, and he
- |>told that all chips that are in the same family (ie, not crossing
- |>technology boundaries like CMOS vs regular logic) come from the same
- |>design, the same production runs, etc. The only difference between
- |>chips of different speeds is that the ones they sell as faster
- |>actually test out at faster speeds. So, they are the same chip,
- |>except in the speed they maxed at and the extent of their testing.
- |>The faster ones are tested much more, thus the higher cost. (he also
- |>told me that they have found some 030's that tested out at more than
- |>65Mhz. They hung on to those to try to figure out what happened to
- |>them and how they could reproduce it. :)
- |>
- |>So the fact that it is declared as a certain speed chip indicates that
- |>Motorola believes it is not suitable for higher speeds, or rather that
- |>it is not suitable for the next higher speed class.
- |>
- |>Kent
- |>--
- |>
- |>Kent Richards "Practice acts of random kindness
- |>benkei@cs.utexas.edu and senseless beauty"
-
- Close, but not quite the whole story. It is true that the faster parts
- are tested more, but not necessarily true that the slower parts "maxed out"
- in testing. I Motorola needs X number of processors at a certain speed, they
- simply test them that far and label them as such. This does not at all mean
- that that is as fast as the processor can run. That is why there have been
- a large number of positive responses. I would expect that older SI's (with
- presumably older 68030's) would have a higher rate of failure (for the
- upgrade).
-
- Also, I wonder why the same trick would not work on an LC or the Quadra 700?
- Anyone willing to try?
-
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- David T. Croley | "To iterate is human, to recurse divine." - L. Peter Deutsch
- croley@mcc.com | Univ. of Texas at Austin - MCC - Experimental Systems Lab
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