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- From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
- Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
- Message-ID: <6375.2b111ada@hayes.com>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 17:54:34 EDT
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- In article <1992Nov16.134616.4336@athena.mit.edu>, dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch) writes:
- > Note that the total cost of your improvements (most of which are not needed for
- > your average PC) is ~$1000. The 486 machine still costs half of what the Quadra
- > costs.
-
- Well, he didn't even begin to include software. Which should straighten out the
- picture even more.
-
- > IMHO Macs are way overpriced, even the peripherals. How much does Apple
- > charge for the Extended Keyboard, $160? $200? At least twice what an
- > IBM-compatible extended keyboard costs (~$79), and it isn't a very good keyboard
- > anyway (feels like mush, no tactile feedback).
-
- I LIKE Apple keyboards.
-
- Of course the price may be higher, perhaps because it is a higher-quality
- keyboard.
-
- One benefit of buying the keyboard separately is that you don't have to buy
- Apple's keyboard if you don't want to. There are several companies that
- make replacement keyboards. Cheaper.
-
- > |> Ability to add extra processors (only extremely specialized ones availiable).
- > |> Ability to use more than 32 megs. (most PCs max out a 32 meg.).
- >
- > Not true: limit for newer machines is usually 64Meg, and the P5 will be able to
- > access 128 Meg.
-
- Unless you run Xenix, you can't access more than 16 megs on a PC. The P5 isn't
- out yet. (How can you possibly draw comparison with hardware that isn't even
- shipping yet)
-
- The Mac II I'm typing this to you on has 20 megs. It was sold in 1987. PCs
- still haven't caught up.
-
- > |> System card bus that can access more than 16 meg. (ISA limit).
- >
- > EISA. Enough said.
-
- You still need OS support. Hardware support is only the half of it.
-
- > Sorry, but I've used both the Quadra 950 and the 486-50. For straight number
- > crunching, there is a definate edge to the 486, which gives it a distinct
- > advantage given the 3:1 cost ratio.
-
- Except it isn't a "3:1: cost ratio. Remember the added hardware? Made it less
- than 2:1. And you didn't even begin to check out the software additions
- necessary for the PC.
-
- As for "number crunching" -- exactly what kind of computing is this? Is this
- the kind where there's no need for a user at all?
-
- > GUI performance is about equal,
-
- NOT!
-
- Nothing on the PC compares with the Mac user interface.
-
- > but is the Mac OS so much better that it is worth $4000?
-
- Remember, it isn't $4000. More like $2000. You seem to keep forgetting all
- those hardware additions you had to make the PC to make it marginally
- equivalent to a Quadra 950.
-
- > |> LC II w/ color monitor to 386/40 w/ color. About the same price,
- > |> 386 is much faster running Dos, slightly faster running Windows.
- >
- > Quite a bit faster running Windows,
-
- Not in my experience.
-
- > and if you look at the options that come with the 386 (HD, memory, etc), it
- > is cheaper than the LC II by a considerable margin.
-
- If you do just a numeric comparison of disk space, you are probably right.
- However, the world isn't that simple. You also get lots of built-in stuff
- with the LC (SCSI, Sound in and out, Networking software) that are extras
- on the 386. You have to account for those additions as well.
-
- > Same as above. Windows on a 486/33 is faster than a IIci, from personal
- > experience.
-
- Except that Windows is not a Mac. "Faster" is pretty easy to achieve when
- coupled with "does less."
-
- > The cheapest Mac is the Classic II, costing around $1200. This comes with a 16
- > Mhz 030 and 4 Mb of RAM and a 9" b+w screen. For the same money, you can get
- > a 386/25 with SVGA and a 14" color display, a larger HD (Classic has standard
- > 40M), and Windows. Which one is the better deal.
-
- Not at all. With the Classic II, you get SCSI, ADB, Sound in and out, built-in
- networking software, and a user interface that Windows can't touch. Plus
- capabilities that you can't even get with the PC, such as the ability to
- add a second monitor.
-
- > For eye-strain release alone, I'll take the PC.
-
- Why not spend a few $100's more and get the LC? You'd have even better color
- than on the PC.
-
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