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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Subject: Re: Can software be 486-specific?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.190511.25382@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
- References: <BxL9qH.M45@utdallas.edu> <1992Nov12.065155.21316@leland.Stanford.EDU> <139@complex.complex.is>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:05:11 GMT
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- In <139@complex.complex.is> frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason) writes:
-
- >spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
-
- >>: Will NeXTSTEP 486 run on 386 machines?
- >>: No. NeXTSTEP 486 uses several 486 specific features that enhance
- >>: the performance of NeXTSTEP. NeXTSTEP 486 will support any true
- >>: 486.
- >>:
- >>: Will NeXTSTEP 486 run on the Cyrix 486SLC?
- >>: No. The Cyrix chip not a true 486.
-
- >>IMHO, if there are in fact processor-specific advantages to requiring
- >>a 486, doing so makes sense.
-
- >Yeah, but I don't see any sensible reason for not making 386+387 the
- >minimum requirement - the differences between a 486 and a system with 386+387
- >are not exactly major, from a programming point of view.
-
- All this means is that you haven't looked hard enough. For a system
- requiring a lot of power and making heavy use of the math processor,
- it makes perfect sense to restrict it to the i486. This lets you
- specially optimize for the i486, use the (few) extra i486
- instructions, optimize pipelining for the known timings of the
- instructions, etc. If running on a 386+387 results in such poor
- performance as to be virtually unusable, why not simply target the
- hardware that the user is going to need anyway?
-
- >No, I would guess that something else is going one here. This actually
- >reminded me of something - what seems a long time ago, some programs checked
- >the PC ROM, and refused to run, unless they found an IBM copyright message
- >there. Of course, other BIOS manufacturers found a way around this - one
- >BIOS even contains the text "Some software expects to find Copyright IBM here"
- >with "Copyright IBM located in exactly the right position"
-
- >Well, the only benefit I can see for making the software 486-specific is that
- >it would help selling '486 processors. And who would benefit .... right,
- >Intel.
-
- So Intel owns NeXT (which produces its own Motorola-based machines)?
- I don't think so. There are times when a conspiracy theory makes
- sense and times when one doesn't. This is one of the latter.
-
- >Letting the program to run on only true 486's does not help the end-user much,
- >but it is sure to hurt Cyrix and AMD....time to sell their stock :-) I guess.
-
- If AMD produces a close enough clone, it might run NeXTStep. It's
- going to have to be REAL close, though, I would bet.
-
- >Now, I am not suggesting that Intel may actually have paid for having them
- >make the software '486 specific...it wouldn't be nice to say that, but........
-
- It also probably wouldn't be legal (to say OR to do).
-
- --
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- in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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