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- From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
- Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
- Message-ID: <Bxu8oB.BuB@starnine.com>
- Sender: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:09:46 GMT
- References: <36732@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1992Nov6.000536.22326@ra.msstate.edu> <1992Nov7.221949.6127@cs.mcgill.ca>
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- In article <1992Nov7.221949.6127@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov6.000536.22326@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
- >>In article <36732@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Nov4.202447.10362@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
- >>>
- >>Funny, I don't seem to recall saying anything about supporting Bush. If I'm
- >>anti-Clinton, does that make me automatically pro-Bush? Hell, I'm pretty
- >>liberal for a white-boy from the South: I don't believe in deities, I support
- >>a woman's right to have an abortion, I don't believe in censorship, and I'd
- >>love to see a lot less government involvement in people's private lives. But
- >
- >This was something that Reagan and Bush harped about extensively in the early
- >1980s during a period when they set out to help "mom and pop businesses tied
- >up in government red tape."
-
- Yeh, I thought that sounded like a good idea too! I agree that it
- didn't take Reagan long to start attacking the core of the economic woes
- of business in this country... to much government.
-
- >Of course it made the most sense to appoint to
- >the head of the Task Force on Regulatory Relief a Texas oil tycoon and former
- >head of the CIA... none other than George Bush.
-
- It was a great appointment. Have your Vice-President personally
- involved in the economic reforms process... Reagan was brilliant!
-
- >Also during this period
- >corporations lobbied Congress to the extent of $1 billion dollars in order to
- >sell deregulation to the public.
-
- Good! That means that the government and business were getting back
- true capitalism and working together doing it! Sounds good so far.
-
- >Then Reagan decided that the person most
- >suited to heading OSHA (which presumably is interfering in private lives
- >too much already) a contractor who had received 48 safety violations form
- >OSHA in the past. The EPA was taken over by a Colorado politican who had
- >resisted toxics regulation, fought controls on strip-mining and obstructed
- >various pieces of state hazardous waste regulation.
-
- All because those organizations had blossomed under Carter to be
- the biggest burdens on the back of American business since the
- depression. They drastically needed trimming down and brought
- back to reality.
-
- >When Reagan deregulated
- >buses, trains and airlines, 3763 communities lost interstate bus service,
- >1200 towns lost rail service and 150 airlines went bankrupt.
-
- Much of it duplicate service fighting, scratching, biting for the same
- dollar. Deregulation simply sped up the impending demise of
- companies that were unnaturally structured from the false need of
- government dictates. The government can't dictate what it
- was (at that time) dictating without something giving.
-
- And the proof was seen. Inflation dropped like a rock, unemployment
- dropped, interest rates dropped... Reagans genius at work.
-
- >
- >All the while, as Reagan harped about regulation "holding back free
- >enterprise," polls showed that only 5% of the public thought that workplace
- >and consumer protection regulations were too strict.
-
- Sorry. I don't remember it that way. I remember a public that
- was QUITE fed up with Mr Carter and his anti-business practices.
- The current sentiments in California are reminiscent...business
- THIS time, however, has the option to move...which it is doing in droves.
-
- Actually, business had the option to move back then, too. And thanks to
- Carter, many did. Overseas.
-
- >
- >Although it may not have been your intention with your reference to "private
- >lives," you've conjured up images of a lot of the rhetoric used to justify
- >inanity like the above.
-
- The restrictions that liberals want to put on American business is inane.
- The belief that American business is evil and requires more and
- more government to watch over it is absurd. It's the ramblings of
- liberals (who KNOW they aren't forthright about their agendas) who
- distrust everyone because they themselves are not trustful.
-
- And in case you haven't noticed... YOU'RE spewing forth enough
- retoric for the both of us.
-
- >
- >>>Get a clue. If you're comparing IQs, the Bush/Quayle administration set an
- >>>all time low (its only close competition was the Reagan/Bush administration).
- >>>I'm proud to have helped to elect a President and Vice President with at least
- >>>above average intelligence (you don't get to be a Rhodes Scholar by being a
- >>>"stupid hillbilly").
-
- Yup. "I didn't inhale." EXTREMELY intelligent.
-
- >>
- >>Again, where have I said anything about supporting Bush or Quayle? If IQ is
- >>so important, why don't we have nuclear scientists and other smart folks in
- >>office instead of a bunch of asshole lawyers? And Dave, Ole Miss has never
- >>had the reputation of being a great school except maybe at the state level,
- >>but we've had a few Rhodes Scholars.
- >
- >Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer. And with respect to Ole Miss, wasn't
- >Clinton at Georgetown when he received his Rhodes Scholarship? Deserved
- >or not, its reputation is hardly terrible.
-
- Who cares?
-
- >
- >A technically literate and educated political elite is something that is
- >growing more overdue.
-
- No, plenty of that drivel in Berkeley. A clone of Ronald Reagan
- is long overdue.
-
-
- >I once had an instructor who harped against technical
- >specialization in education, claiming that industry was suffering and that
- >glorious success stories like Chrysler were brought about by broad minded
- >and generally educated individuals like Lee Iacocca. The value and
- >necessity of a well balanced and varied education aside, I'd hardly call
- >a corrupt technocrat whose company was saved from the grave by federal
- >loan guarantees and some interestingly loosened safety regulations that
- >enabled new cost cutting measures that were previously illegal a glorious
- >success story... just a thought.
-
- Is THAT what you call a thought? Sounds like stamped-out rhetoric to me.
-
- You see... you reject technical literacy and conventional political
- wisdom when it confronts you.
-
-