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- From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
- Subject: Re: Amiga or Messy-DOS
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.074349.5700@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 07:43:49 EST
- References: <1992Nov19.094831.58856@qut.edu.au>
- Organization: Wright State University
- Lines: 142
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- In article <1992Nov19.094831.58856@qut.edu.au>, barham@qut.edu.au writes:
- > etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se (Thomas Grennefors TX/DKF) writes:
- >>
- >> I'm considering buying a new computer. My 500 starts to feel limited and
- >> slow, and unreliable.
- >
- > You would expect an A500 to start feeling slow - even with all its
- > wonderful coprocessed graphics, it's still only a 7MHz 68000
- > (comparable to an XT really). It IS 1985 technology after all.
-
- Wrong. Wrong. A 7mhz 68000 is more comparable to a 12mhz 286
- speedwise. And since it is a 32 bit processor in the programmers
- sense, it is really comparable to a 386sx. XTs only ran a 4.77
- mhz, if I remember correctly. That 1985 technology was at least
- 3 years ahead of its time when compared to PCs.
-
- > In what way is it unreliable? I have an A1000 from 1986 and it's
- > still going strong!
- >
- >> So the computers i considering is A3000, A4000, 386 or 486. The
- >> requirements i got on my to be new computer is, colour monitor,
- >> 20Mhz or more HD, and it should be reliable and easy to use.
- >
- > Reliable keeps popping up!
- >
- >> The main arguments against the Amiga is its reability. It's not to reliable.
- >> Some programs work on a 500 with 1.3 but not on a 500+ or if you have extra
- >> chipmem and so on. Thats one of the strong points of the PC. Most (i know
- >> its not all) works on most machines. You can of course have requirements like
- >> VGA or 2M mem needed, but then again you can have these requirements on the Amiga.
- >> Overall the PC feels more stable than the Amiga. I'm getting tired of RW errors
- >> on my diskettes, gurus and plain crashes.
-
- Gee I've never seen read-write errors and crashes on PCs? Abort?
- Retry? Fail?. Internal stack Error. You can't run xxx with
- Windows. Or just sit their and look back at you. At least the
- Amiga crashes and resets itself or shows you an error message of
- some sort.
- >
- > Ok, so you mean reliability for software? There aren't many modern
- > programmes (games excluded of course) that wont run on ANY Amiga.
- > The same thing has happenned on PCs and Macs as new versions of the
- > operating system have come out. Commodore bend over backwards to
- > maintain compatibilty with programmes that don't follow the rules
- > (too much in my opinion). Since I've gotten 2.04 I've never found a
- > single programme that hasn't run! Even Music-X (version 1.0) works
- > fine! Even stuff I've written works fine! 2.04 is a very "reliable"
- > and stable operating system.
- >
- >> Another drawback of the Amiga is the future support and new
- >> software. This seems to be somewhat uncertain right now. One of
- >> the strong points of the PC is that you can be certain that you
- >> can get support, expansion parts and new software for a long time
- >> to come.
-
- We'll see.
- >
- > I don't think the future of the Amiga is particularly uncertain, and
- > by that I mean support and software. The Amiga is finally starting
- > to get some of the recognition it deserves as a serious computer.
- > Commodore are finally telling people that Amiga's exist. New
- > machines are finally showing up. Things are just starting to look
- > rosy!
- >
- >> The programs i use most (apart from recreational software) is word
- >> processing and a data base. It is much easier to find good DB or
- >> word processing program for the PC.
-
- Yes, Yes, I love data base and wordprocessing. I can't WAIT
- to turn on my computer and do that!
-
- >
- > Well, you can probably find some of the BEST (in many peoples
- > debatable opinions) word processors and database packages for the PC,
- > but you can certainly easily find many GOOD (in fact, EXCELLENT) word
- > processors and database packages for the Amiga. These days you can
- > even read your friends word perfect file (if you REALLY want to).
- >
- Gosh, WHAT an advantage. I'm sold. I want to read my friends
- WP file!
-
- >> Another thing to consider is the price. A 486 is about $3000 here
- >> in sweden. A 3000 costs about $3500 and a 4000 is somewhere around
- >> $4500.
- >
- 486s are dirt cheap. For sure.
-
- > Of course, the only PC you can get for less than an equivelent Amiga
- > is a clone... Weren't we talking about reliability as a requirement
- > somewhere?
- >
- >> A drawback with a PC is of course Messy-DOS and Windows.
- >
- > This IS a major drawback %^)
- >
- >> The good things about the amiga is of course ... come to think about it i
- >> cannot name one that the PC cannot match. Can anyone else do this?
- >
- If you have used an Amiga for some time, you will loathe using
- MS-DOS, there is no comparison. The Amiga is so much more user
- friendly.
-
- > The Amiga is just a damn nice, well integrated, powerful,
- > userfriendly machine. A PC is just a heap of junk (even if it has a
- > V8)
- >
- >> No flames please (but i realise that this is highly unlikely when posting
- >> to this group :-). Anyone that can come up with any good arguments to why i
- >> should stick with the Amiga. And no. Amiga is cool is not a good argument.
- >> Let me see if you can convince me that i should stick with the Amiga.
- >
- > No flames indeed. PC style architecture is a thing of the past
- > (IMHO) - Amigas are the way of the future. Also, Amiga is cool
- > (sorry %^). Seriously, though, I use a 33meg '486 at work with an
- > accelerated VGA card, soundblaster 16, Videodisk player and Super
- > Video Windows video overlay card (but only 8meg of memory and I have
- > to run Windows and soon Windows NT - ouch!). At home I have a 7MHz
- > Amiga 2000HD with 3meg of memory and a 1081 (yes, an original)
- > display and guess which I prefer? Admittedly I am longing for an
- > A4000 (maybe even an A1200 to get AGA on the cheap?) for that extra
- > burst of speed, but I would NEVER BUY A PC!
- >
- > Oh, you wanted some serious, comparison, fact and figure type
- > reasons? They have been bandied about here often enough, and when it
- > all comes done, pretty well everything the Amiga can do a PC can do
- > also (if you add enough hardware), but just not as nicely %^)
- >
- >> Thomas Grennefors ! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
- >> Ericsson Telecom,Karlstad ! What do you mean, an African or a European swallow?
- >> etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se ! Well...I don't know...AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
- >
- > Tim.
- > --
- >
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- > | t.barham@qut.edu.au (Tim Barham) - SUPER PLEB! |
- > | Applications Programmer for the Computer Based Education Section, |
- > | Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane, Qld, Australia |
- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
- > | "You're so open-minded that your brain leaked out..." |
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- -Fred
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