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- From: singer@rhodes.aero.org
- Subject: Re: Bound volume sets: are they a bad idea?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.122133.1@rhodes.aero.org>
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 12:21:33 PST
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- In article <1992Nov10.124211.6220@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312) writes:
- > In article <27A00A05_002EA238.009632A7DEFF5100$192_2@UK.AC.KCL.PH.IPG>,
- > SYSMGR@IPG.PH.KCL.AC.UK writes:
- >>I am currently considering the idea of taking two 600Mb disks and binding
- >>them into a 1.2Gb volume set. Nagging at the back of my mind is something
- >>that I think I saw some time back on this list, to the effect that DEC
- >>recommend you don't use volume sets unless you want a few huge files
- >>potentially bigger than a single volume. I can't find anything to this
- >>effect in TFM, though. In our case, there would be several thousand files,
- >>none bigger than 100K blocks and most a lot smaller. Partitioning the files
- >>(currently on one overloaded disk) would cause a fair degree of user confusion.
- >>
- >>As far as I can reason it out, the pro is some degree of load balancing
- >>between the disks, and no management hassles sorting out what to put where.
- >>The con is a halved MTBF on the bound set. Backup shouldn't be a problem,
- >>both together will fit on one DAT.
- >>
- >>Would anyone care to tell me what I've missed, or of any experiences (bad
- >>or long-term OK) with a volume set like the one I'm considering?
- >
- > Several other posters have mentioned the MTBF aspect. Also, keep in mind that
- > you are taking 2 'large' volumes and making them into one. This effectively
- > increases the size of the cluster factor. If it is 4 on one of these disks,
- > it will be 8 on the volume set (Same with a stripe set, too). So if you have
- > a lot of files that are small (ummm, in fact, even if you don't), you will be
- > wasting an average of 4 blocks per file. Even if this is not a concern in
- > terms of disk space, remember that disk read/write requests are done in
- > clusters, not in blocks. If your application wants one block from disk, it
- > reads in the whole cluster. Even if most of the cluster is 'unused' space on
- > the disk.
- I have been running bound sets for about 6 years, with several type of devices:
- RA81s, SI s and lately with Emulex and MTI drives, which are about 1.8 and 2
- Gbytes respectively. It sure increases your MTBF, but disks are quite reliable
- these days.
- Cluster factor DOES not increase! The cluster factor is whatever must be at
- initialize time ($INIT/CLUST=x) which is not a function of the number of
- devices, but rather the size of the device. Once you bound the volumes,
- you can verify this by doing $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL and also a $DIR/SIZE=ALL
- You will see that they are both the same.
- The simplicity of growing the set by simply adding more devices, and the
- backing up of a single logical device overrides the other considerations.
-
- > _______________________________________________________________
- > Harvey Brydon | Internet: brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
- > Dowell Schlumberger | P.O.T.S.: (918)250-4312
- > On a clear disk you can seek forever.
-