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- From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: re: Re: Hooking VT's up with 4-wire phone line?
- Message-ID: <9211141919.AA16739@uu3.psi.com>
- Date: 14 Nov 92 18:19:16 GMT
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- In response to an earlier question, Harvey Brydon writes:
-
- > What you call 4 wire telephone cable is more than likely 2 pair. To
- > hook up to RS-232, connect one wire in each pair to pins 2 and 3.
- > Both of the other wires should go to pin 7 and/or 1. I did this
- > satisfactorily connecting one to 1, the other to 7. You won't be
- > able to make really long cable runs.
-
- To which Dick Collier responds:
-
- In using twisted-pair telephone cable for RS-232 data communications
- it is important that the two signal wires (those connected to pins 2 &
- 3) not be the two wires in a single pair. Doing so leads to
- cross-talk between the transmit and receive signals, which decreases
- reliability, maximum line length and maximum transmission speed.
- Instead, have each pair carry a signal line and a ground.
-
- [He then provides some details on configuration and reports excellent
- experiences with wiring things this way.]
-
- Unfortunately, what Mr. Brydon and the original writer are PROBABLY writing
- about is rather different from the cable Mr. Collier has used.
-
- "Four-wire telephone cable" is commonly "4-wire station cable". It consists
- of four individuals solid wires, usually colored red, green, black, and
- yellow. The wires are NOT paired or twisted in any way. Any run of decent
- length - certainly any run of more than 50 feet or so - is almost certain to
- have severe cross-talk problems. Station wire was widely used at one time
- for interior wiring in houses. It was intended to be used for a SINGLE line;
- the extra wires were used for such purposes as distributing power to the
- lights on the old Princess phones. You can still buy station wire at places
- like Radio Shack, and people these days do use it to run two lines. As long
- as the runs are short, they get away with it. But even for voice use, long
- runs are unworkable. For high-speed data - forget it.
-
- Twisted pair is something different. Twisted pair cable consists of multiple
- pairs of wires, with each pair twisted together. Usually the wires have a
- solid color with a stripe running through it; the wires in a pair have comple-
- mentary arrangements. (For example, blue-with-white-stripe is paired with
- white-with-blue-stripe.) Interference BETWEEN twisted pairs, and between
- a pair and the surrounding environment, is quite small.
-
- So, why can't "four-wire telephone cable" be two twisted pairs? Well, in
- theory it could be. However, that is not a commonly sold configuration -
- the smallest widely used configuration has THREE twisted pairs in the cable.
- (The wires in each pair are of a smaller gauge than the individual wires in
- station cable, so the overall thickness of the cable is not too different.
- I can't recall ever seeing two-twisted-pair cable for communications use,
- though I'm sure you could find it if you looked long enough.)
-
- -- Jerry
-
-