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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: My impression of NT Beta. . .
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- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:17:15 GMT
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- In article <4f4I4f200iUx85n34O@andrew.cmu.edu> Carl B Jabido <cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
- >NT is the ultimate Unix killer! NOT!!!! Currently, the beta running in
- >8 megs is a real DOG. Worse than OS/2 in fact. Imagine speedy File
-
-
- You are doing something much worse than spreading FUD, you
- are reviewing a product based on the beta (really, the current
- NT beta would better be termed "late alpha"--even according
- to MS) release.
-
- Did you ever see the OS/2 2.0 beta? (Not the current one--the
- _2.0_ beta)
-
- The WPS used to crash sometimes if you double clicked too
- rapidly, or if you grabbed a window and swung it around
- the screen for awhile (first you'd start seeing windowbar
- trails, and then the screen was toast). It was insane. I
- had a friend who, for awhile, couldn't keep his system running
- more than three minutes because there was a _typo_ in his
- config.sys file! <And he also had another problem, that was the
- reboot loop that he got into, because he left a program that
- was restarted every boot that crashed the system and reboot it...>
-
- The OS/2 2.0 betas (especially when the WPS was first around)
- were downright _awful_ <Hell, I can run Populous and trash the
- OS/2 +SP system _now_--it wont crash, but the display is toast
- if you try and run it in a window>. So don't pull this NT
- beta review stuff, because I've got your windows in my slingshot
- sights.
-
-
-
- >SLOW here folks. And, that was with a 25-30 meg swap file! That's
-
-
-
- This sounds pretty awful, but I assume 8 megs is the recommended
- medium, and therefor your review is about as accurate as
- someone who chooses to review Os/2 2.0 with 4 megs.
-
-
-
- >more. First, the Program Manager/File Manager setup. That is a real
- >unintuitive setup. OS/2 object-orientedness is so much better. In
-
-
- Affirm, but I think the WPS is still too clutzy/clunky.
- Slick, but it needs a _lot_ of work. A _lot_.
-
-
-
- >fact, I've decided that if OS/2 fails (ie, no software, etc) I'm gonna
- >go to NeXTStep 486 first, then if that doesn't work, I'll scrap my PC
-
-
- If I could afford the system to run it and the cost of
- NS486 itself (~$800+ when it comes out) I would choose
- NS over OS/2 for a lot of reasons.
-
- How many people want to bet that NS486 _1.0_ is a hell
- of a lot more durable than OS/2, win3.1 and NT combined?
- <Well, maybe not NT--we wouldn't want to hurt the home
- team..>
-
-
-
- >and buy a Mac and A/UX. That's right, no more Micro$oft OS's for me.
-
-
- I like A/UX, but I don't particularly like the Mac. (I was
- weaned on CP/M and HDOS <heath> on an H8--I _like_ command
- lines for most things..)
-
- Speaking of which, I know it must--but does NT even have one?
-
-
-
-
- >So, my conclusions about that example are that Dos emulation is NOT up
- >to par with real Dos or OS/2's Dos. Mouse tracking really sucked, and
- >full-screen wasn't working. But, it seems that NT will be a stable
- >system.
-
-
- OS/2's dos support wasn't so hot before the beta program
- got underway either. Hell, it's _still_ not up to par
- with real DOS [probably wont ever be, and I don't expect it
- to be--but you mentioned it].
-
- I like OS/2. I liked it at 1.0--[well... 1.3 was when I
- was first willing to _use_ it.. But I respected 1.0]--
- something an Amiga user can put up with and so on. AND
- I admit to a personal bias against MS [I run DRDOS/OS2
- here, but alas--I use win31/drdos most of the time]
- but if NT fufills it's design (it apparently has a _long_
- way to go from your message) than I will probably move to it
- for my next OS (if NS486 doesn't get cheap) because OS/2
- may be _respected_ but it's sure as hell not supported.
-
- Anyone want an honor bet on this--within one (1) month
- of NT shipping there will be at least 5 heavy-duty applications
- (for _nt_ not just Win32) and up-to-date drivers for ATI,
- Diamond, S3, NCR, Western Digital, etc.. cards.
-
- Plus, I'm willing to bet that NT will install _out_of_the_box_
- on machines that OS/2 seems to barf on.
-
- Even further, I'd be willing to bet that vendors like
- Dell, Gateway and Zeos start shipping their upper-end
- systems with NT pre-installed and configured. Well, maybe
- not Dell, since I understand (can anyone confirm or deny thi?)
- that they have a deal with NeXT.
-
- Want OS/2 to succeed? (I do)
-
- Buy OS/2 products, but don't buy the crap. I.e. Don't buy
- WP for os/2 because it's garbage next to the DOS and Windows
- versions, and for all their "we're making 6.0 on os/2 first"
- Wordperfect has announced the DOS and Windows versions will be
- released in 1q93 and that the OS/2 version will be "much later"...
-
- Plus, don't buy the crap that is put together using the
- WinAPI-to-OS/2 mirror deal, either.
- --
- Robert Stephen Rodgers || rsrodger@wam.umd.edu || IRC: Yamanari
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