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- From: blakeco@microsoft.com (Blake Coverett)
- Subject: Re: Windows for Workgroups and TCP/IP (QVTNET or PC/TCP)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.214424.6206@microsoft.com>
- Date: 15 Nov 92 21:44:24 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Canada Inc.
- References: <76n1_f#@rpi.edu> <1992Nov11.063238.25583@microsoft.com> <rick.85.721676985@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
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- >>>>>rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner) writes:
- >>>>>>Until Microsoft decides to use a multi-protocol stack for WFWG it will be
- >>>>>>a no go - unless you load one (e.g., NDIS, ODI, etc.) before entering
- >>>>>>Windows and can get the drivers to work with all the pieces.
-
- >In article <1992Nov11.063238.25583@microsoft.com> blakeco@microsoft.com (Blake Coverett) writes:
- >>WFW most certainly does use NDIS and as such supports multiple protocol
- >>stacks on the same card. In fact it comes with two stacks (NetBEUI and
- >>IPX) which run concurrently when you choose NetWare support. I have
- >>successfully used Microsoft's TCP/IP stack with WFW and I strongly
- >>suspect that QVT/NET could be persuaded to work with the NDIS packet
- >>driver shim.
-
- In article <rick.85.721676985@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner) writes:
- >Not quite correct. WfWG uses NetBIOS (the extended NetBIOS called
- >NetBEUI). It can run NetBIOS over IPX. It does not use NDIS, but
- >you can use NDIS as a protocol stack manager if you desire. It is not
- >automatic, and NDIS set-up and management is 2-3 orders of magnitude
- >more complex than the marketing hype asserts one needs to endure to
- >set-up and run WfWG (Yes I know NDIS - I use it daily, and I hate it!)
-
- No. WFW only ever runs on top of a NDIS protocol stack. In its base
- configuration it look like this:
-
- +------------------+
- | NetBEUI protocol | (From either NET.EXE or VNB.386 depending on the mode)
- | workgrp.sys stub | (transport hooks to pass things up to one of the above)
- +------------------+ (This interface is standard NDIS 2.0.1)
- | NDIS Card Driver | (this is your favorite NDIS card driver)
- +------------------+
-
- When you add another protocol stack it sits beside NetBEUI on top of the
- NDIS interface. I run an XNS NDIS stack all the time, MSIPX.SYS implements
- an NDIS version of IPX and discussions of how to make the NDIS versions of
- TCP/IP and AsyBEUI are in appendix 7 of the soon to be available Resource Kit
- for WFW.
-
- NetBIOS is simply a session layer programmers interface to a network protocol.
- NetBIOS is commonly used over a NetBEUI transport but it is also commonly
- used over IPX and TCP/IP (as a couple of examples.)
- NetBIOS != NetBEUI in fact they are apples and oranges you can't compare
- them at all.
-
- -Blake (Rick, please email me directly if you have an issue with this.)
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