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- From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU ("", Shannon Hendrix)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
- Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
- Message-ID: <9211220349.AA03910@PCS.CNU.EDU>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 03:49:34 GMT
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- Its great that you get such smart users. Fine. But I've seen people
- that have a hard time remembering where the power switch is. A friend of mine
- teaches classes for the Apple Macintosh. Here you have a machine designed for
- intuitive use and some people still don't get it.
- Sometimes I have taken people into the lab and sat them down in front
- of a workstation and I can teach them anything. It seems to work one on one
- but most won't even try.
- I used to be a computer operator for a large main office. I ran a
- Data General MV20000 Eclipse with 250 users. It was pure hell from day one.
- The system was perfectly reliable. Its just that no one seemed to ever use
- their brain. So, maybe I've just never gotten a chance to do thing my way.
- I didn't like the way users were trained there but some of them were simply
- a few cylinders shy. The had just never used a computer and the system was
- complex. Some simple changes like I've suggested would have made it work
- fine. I still remember what most of them asked for and it wasn't a problem
- to implement. It just either wasn't or people resisted it.
- About AT&T contract. As I said before. I don't care if they have
- a legal right to the code. They didn't develop it and often act as though
- they did. The people that did the work aren't receiving the benefit. Of
- course, most of them did it for the fun of it or just because they enjoyed
- it. AT&T often steps on the people that put them where they are.
- I agree that kernel bloat is a problem. I would still like to see
- some graphics capability built in. Or, some hooks for it to function more
- in tune with the system.
- I couldn't handle the two user limit. As I type this, there are
- three users on this system. I was just thinking, if the limit is implemented
- in login, could you not replace it with your own login? A guy I know who
- sells UNIX boxes is talking to some people at SCO about possibly selling
- hard drives with UNIX installed, no limits, to students real cheap. He
- would like it to have some sort of development tools too. However, you
- could just put a GNU system on it I guess. Might be better anyway.
- You are right about UNIX being more reliable than DOS, Windows, and
- OS/2. I never said it wasn't. However, my DOS file system has been severely
- abused and I have never screwed it up (bad). Its just too simple to mess
- up very much. I mean, people go for years without backing up, defragging,
- or doing any maintenance. That may be the biggest problem with and OS
- like UNIX is that people are used to never maintaining their system.
- Actually, you should perform maintenance on a DOS system on a regular basis
- and the same with a MAC or whatever. Thing is, you can get away with it
- on the simpler systems. Abuse a UNIX system and you'll pay for it later.
- As far as OS/2 is concerned. That is a dog so far. It is almost
- as complex as UNIX but you get absolutely no documentation that is worth
- anything, about its internals. You get some error message and a note to
- call IBM about it. Hah! Linux screams along on my little 8-meg 386 box
- but OS/2, even without Presentation Mangler was pretty sluggish. I sometimes
- think that OS/2 may be the best thing to happen to UNIX. Put the systems
- side by side and let the users pick after seeing them together. I keep
- trying to tell people that UNIX has had for 15 years what IBM and Microsoft
- are promising they'll have "real soon now."
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- Shannon Hendrix |shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu
- Christopher Newport University |---------------------
- Newport News, VA |** space for rent **
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