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- From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU ("", Shannon Hendrix)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
- Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
- Message-ID: <9211200253.AA28586@PCS.CNU.EDU>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 02:53:56 GMT
- Sender: daemon@presto.ig.com
- Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
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- Well, you and a few other missed the point. For myself, I have no problem with
- the way UNIX is except that I tire of the details at times. I was trying to
- give the
- point of view of someone who is daunted by it. While I am comfortable with it I
- know
- that a lot of people aren't and I was just repeating what I have heard so many
- people
- say. For a long time I laughed at people's reasons for not using UNIX but now I
- am
- trying to see things from their point of view. Also, lately I have needed a
- system
- that simply worked and didn't require lots of fidling. UNIX requires fiddling.
-
- What you said about SVR4.2 is well taken. It may very well be what is needed.
- I just wish it was cheaper.
-
- You didn't understand what I meant when I said that AT&T didn't have a right to
- UNIX anymore. I am not talking about legal rights. I mean ethical right. So
- many
- people had a hand in the development of UNIX that I don't feel AT&T has the
- right to
- be the bully it is. If you and ten other people wrote an OS based on my ideas
- and then
- I began selling it for an outrageous profit, forbid you to sell it or any part
- of it
- without making it prohibitively expensive, and sued the daylights out of anyone
- who
- even talked about competing, you and your buddies would'nt appreciate that would
- you?
- I want UNIX to be controlled by a company to better standardize it but I resent
- the
- restrictions that come along with it and the way it is priced. Things like this
- will
- iron out eventually but I'm sure you would like to see some changes.
-
- SVR4.2 is OK. You suggest trying it and I would but for two things. It costs
- over $250 for a non-development version that allows only two users. The cost
- alone is
- enough but a user limit is nuts to me. How is that implemented? On my system,
- I may
- have several users (or processes with user ID's) going at once. Is this still
- possible
- under UNIX limited to a two-user license?
-
- Having graphics in the kernel would still require devide drivers for different
- graphics cards of course. But, the graphics process could be made more
- efficient. It
- could better interface to hardware too. I realize that that would require more
- hardware dependent code in the kernel but the benefits would be worth it. There
- is a
- lot of debate about that so this is just my opinion.
-
- Windows applications aren't just retreaded DOS versions. If they are written
- properly, they are an entirely different breed. My problem with Windows is
- mostly the
- underlying technology and the fact that so many people thing ALL programs need
- to be
- totally graphical. I submit they do not. Windows has also caused most
- applications
- to explode with features. I guess that will happen with UNIX too if it hasn't
- already.
-
- My administration problems are programs that don't install properly, versions
- of
- UNIX shipped with improper permissions, and such. It would be nice to have a
- document
- listing standard permissions settings for various programs/setups. Something to
- check
- a new system buy or help isolate a strange bug/problem. Communications programs
- are real
- bad for permissions bugs. Often they exit without resetting permissions and
- lock files
- properly leaving users to wonder why the modem isn't working and what-not.
- Again, I deal
- with it by fixing the programs and system setup. I am trying to point out a
- pitfall for
- less experienced users. I know the kinds of problems they have and they aren't
- that hard
- to solve. Sysadmin menus just make easier something that most people shouldn't
- have to
- mess with at all.
-
- UNIX is being put on peoples' desktops. You have loads of experience and that
- is fine for you. What about the accountant that gets a new machine on his desk
- and wants
- to find out why his machine won't poll the company's cash registers? With
- MessDOS the
- problem would be something turned off or a bad configuration file. With UNIX,
- it could
- be a lot of different things.
-
-
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- Shannon Hendrix |shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu
- Christopher Newport University |---------------------
- Newport News, VA |** space for rent **
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