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- Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
- Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
- Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!unixland!rmkhome!rmk
- From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:57:02 GMT
- Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Message-ID: <9211181157.03@rmkhome.UUCP>
- References: <9211151638.29@rmkhome.UUCP> <9211165943@umunk.GUN.de>
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- In article <9211165943@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
- >Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.UUCP) wrote:
- >: In article <9211150337.AA12188@PCS.CNU.EDU> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
- >[...]
- >: >3) a single user mode that can run without ttys (what for with no other users?)
- >:
- >: UNIX is a multiuser operating system. How would you use modems or serial
- >: printers?
- >
- >Every UNIX system has a single user mode, that runs without ttys, for
- >save administration of the system.
- >Under COHERENT change the "exit 0" to "exit 1" in /etc/brc and you
- >get what you want. But I'm sure you don't want this :-)
-
- This is sort of what I am saying. I can't understand why anyone would
- want reduced functionality.
-
- >: >4) fast response for games (hey, games sell computers!)
- >:
- >: Get an Amiga.
- >
- >Why? There are lot of games which are running fine on a PC under DOS.
- >If COHERENT gets an GUI like MGR or X11 it's no problem to write or
- >port some games which uses graphics. There are some nice games available
- >which runs in text mode using curses. Of course nothing like Wing Commander,
- >but also interesting (try to solve all the D&D's:-).
- >Also if we get the device driver kit in our hands, it should be possible
- >to write a device driver for an soundblaster.
-
- DOS games kick the os out of the way and go right to the hardware. This
- would probably not be a good strategy with UNIX.
-
- There are a lot of games for X11.
-
- >: >5) A better graphics system than X. X is too big, tries to do to much, and is
- >: > does everything against the rules of a well-done graphics system. I like
- >: > it OK as far as using it goes, its just that it is too much. MIT has been
- >: > saying they will make it small, remove redundancy, shink the net stuff,
- >: > and other things for awhile. Meanwhile it seems to get bigger. Then,
- >: > Sun makes this Open Windows stuff which slows things down even more.
- >:
- >: Dump Motif and right something new.
- ^^^^^
- I wonder where my brain was when I wrote this?
-
- >Or take a look at MGR.
-
- It moght be interesting.
-
- >: >6) A simplification of administration. File permissions are a real big
- >: > problem for most users. Perhaps a new file system that would be real
- >: > simple, like DOS but with long filenames and extended attributes. The
- >: > kernel would still support a standard FS but if you don't need it...
- >:
- >: Right. Turn UNIX into DOSIX. Bleah!
- >
- >Administration is _not_ a problem of the filesystem. Sit down and write
- >an administration program like SCO's sysadmin shell or like AIX's smit.
-
- In a followup to him I mentioned this. Most SVR3.2 and SVR4 systems have
- a sysadmsh like management script and of course kkonfig for kernel
- management.
-
- >: In the Linux and BSD groups, I've seen a lot of new users who want to turn
- >: UNIX into MSDOS. I will fight to keep this from happening. I have a decade
- >: of experience with UNIX, and think it is the best OS that I ever used. I used
- >: to have a PC/XT running MSDOS, and have written diagnostics for dedicated
- >: applications running on MSDOS machines to exercise and test commodity hardware
- >: in a factory setting. I am about as interested in using DOS as I would be in
- >: programming on punched cards.
- >
- >If someone writes some user interfaces for UNIX, which makes it easyser
- >for DOS users to use the system, fine, do it. As long as everyone can
- >select how to use UNIX (at shell level or with an X11 user interface
- >or whatever) all is fine. But it's a very poor idea to reduce the
- >functionality of UNIX back to DOS.
-
- Unfortunately, it appears that people don't like to change, and it appears
- that they don't like to read manuals.
-
- I usually tell people who want multitasking, and don't want to leave the
- DOS world completely behind to get OS/2. It seems to work very well.
-
- And the really phobic will be able to buy SVR4.2, which comes up with
- X11 running on the console. All systems administration functions will
- be menu driven.
-
- --
-
- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP unixland!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
-