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- From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
- Subject: Re: Priorities for Coherent 4.0 development features
- Message-ID: <9211163994@drktowr.chi.il.us>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 05:21:51 GMT
- References: <9211150356.AA12212@PCS.CNU.EDU>
- Organization: DarkTower Software
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- Yikes! I read this and wondered...
-
- , Shannon Hendrix (shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU) wrote:
- :
- : for it. Plus, no one hides information about Linux as MWC seems to do
- : about the internals of Coherent. No better way to alienate developers
- : than to limit information about your OS. Sucessful OS's have almost always
- : had lots of detailed information available to programmers. If the device
-
- Tell that to microsoft about DOS, to Sun for SunOS, to AT&T and USL for
- Unix, to IBM for OS/2, etc.
-
- You don't need kernel source to be a developer. Plus, source licenses
- run in the thousands of dollars. On top of it, you were complaining
- before about the GNU policy that you had to distribute source with
- the binaries. Linux is the same way --- which way do you want it?
-
- : driver kit for Coh 4.x.x had been release (for free) with Coh this past
- : summer Coherent might have really taken off. As it was, MWC shipped us
- : an incomplete kernel, a lot of 16-bit binaries, bugs, missing functions,
- : and no device driver kit. I'm not saying it was malicious or anything but
- : it has hurt them for sure. They have a nice product which will sell itself.
-
- It's called "development". MWC is no Sun or USL or whatever. Have some
- patience, sheesh! OS/2 has had plenty of problems, and that comes from
- a giant corporation. So has ms-windows. OS's are full of bugs. I dare
- you to find one that isn't.
-
- As for device drivers, why should they give the kit for free? I wanted
- to write a device driver for my SCSI card in my PS/2 microchannel machine,
- so I called the vendor and bought the tech manual. $30 for 15 pages.
-
- Call IBM and ask them how much their tech manuals are. Make sure
- you're sitting down when you do. They are selling you proprietary
- information when companies sell you internals and stuff. You will bne
- sure to pay $$$$$'s for it. If you want a source license from MWC, call
- them and ask. Maybe they'll sell you one.
-
- : They just need to advertise it more, provide *VERY* detailed and generous
- : information about it, and get that device driver kit out. Heavy duty
- : courting of universities and companies would help too. Copies to students
- : and professors with device driver kit and some development stuff for around
- : half price would help too. If a student can get Linux (which is almost
- : good enought to give to a newbie now, I have) for free with great compilers,
- : X11R5, networking, etc. or Coherent with none of that for $100 what do you
- : think he/she will do? Plus, MWC would be buying votes later on when that
- : student gets a job and his boss says "What OS do you recommend?" If MWC
- : gives a little when he is a student, he might be more inclined to use it
- : at work. Apple is doing this now (although they are still too dang much...)
- : and UNIX owes its rising popularity to the fact that students used it for
- : free in college and now work in influential positions throughout
- : corporate america. IBM and Msoft would like to kill UNIX but I wonder if
- : they can...
-
- Er, I'm confused. Microsoft makes Xenix, and IBM makes AIX. Why would
- they want to kill Unix? In fact OS/2 is supposed to run on Mach which
- is licensed (I believe) partly by USL (Unix Systems Laboratories - a
- division of AT&T).
-
- Also, if I were to tell my boss to use Linux, and there was a problem,
- and he said "give me the tech support number" what am I supposed to
- give him, "ftp.uu.net"? Tell him "I'll post it and we'll have the
- answer in a week"? You try it and let me know how it turns out....
-
- I agree, Linux is great. When it is used properly. I would never use
- it in a business environment. I would definitely use it at home or in
- school if I had the time to fiddle with it and FTP/news access to
- patch it.
-
- I don't mean to bash you, but I think some of your criticisms are unfounded.
-
- In fact, I'm getting sick of reading Coherent bashing here. I don't
- think that's the purpose of comp.os.coherent. I come here to get support,
- help people, and, yes, criticize, but constructively and not say "XXXX is
- better because it has ZZZZZ".
-
- You don't see us coherent people bashing Linux over there, and even
- Linus doesn't exactly "bash" but correct misconceptions about Linux
- and kind of just stick a thorn in once in a while.
-
- I would ask that the anti-Coherent comments be restricted to
- comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit or wherever. Anyone second this motion?
-
- -Louis
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