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- From: axs@cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.pop,alt.lang.basic
- Subject: Re: Ok, so pop *pop* may be a valid lang, but where's basic?
- Message-ID: <Bxpu2C.Isu@cs.bham.ac.uk>
- Date: 14 Nov 92 17:03:47 GMT
- References: <1992Nov13.003414.17585@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <3BB8TB1w165w@tcscs.UUCP>
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- zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood), one of several
- defenders of BASIC in this thread, writes:
-
- > Date: 14 Nov 92 00:34:25 GMT
- > Organization: TCS Consulting Services
- > tlhouse@nyx.cs.du.edu (fiver) writes:
- >
- > > Basic is where it belongs, in the alt., just like you said .. I don't know
- > > from pop, but I *DO* know Basic is pretty much garbage when compared to
- > > other GOOD languages ..
- > > ....
-
- > I do know BASIC is used for some Windows applications now, and QuickBasic
- > is used by several places for specific programs. In fact several ads looking
- > for BASIC programmers have been popping up in the local help wanted sections.
-
- I don't personally know any modern BASIC, but I recently watched my
- son use one just before he left school (I think it was called
- something like GFA BASIC) on an Atari (he also knows C, C++, Pascal,
- and some other languages). It seemed to be very good for his
- purposes, i.e. developing graphical software.
-
- It is quite clear that for certain purposes Basic has advantages
- similar to Pop-11, i.e. very rapid development, prototyping,
- debugging because it is essentially an interactive language (like
- Lisp, Prolog, Logo, ML, and various others, and unlike C, C++,
- Pascal, Ada, etc.)
-
- I don't know of any versions of BASIC that have the full facilities
- of Pop-11 or Lisp, (all the data-types, garbage collector,
- convenient list processing syntax, etc.) but for applications where
- those facilities are not needed I would expect a well-structured
- BASIC to be a better language for software development and testing
- than certain other more widely used languages!
-
- However, it's ultimately up to the people who do the actual work.
- The difference in productivity between the very best programmers and
- the average ones is enormous, and I suspect that the language they
- use makes only a marginal difference by comparison. This could be a
- topic for interesting research, except that it is totally infeasible
- to get some brilliant programmers to learn and use a new language
- for several months just for the sake of experiment.
-
- Aaron
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