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- From: axs@cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.pop,alt.lang.basic
- Subject: Re: Ok, so pop *pop* may be a valid lang, but where's basic?
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- Date: 13 Nov 92 22:49:35 GMT
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- wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
-
- > Date: 12 Nov 92 16:34:10 GMT
-
- > Flame me all you want, but if some obscure UK language developed 20
- > years ago
-
- Actually the bulk of the development has happened since 1981
- when it was first ported to a VAX (later to various Unix platforms).
-
- See
- %E Anderson, James
- %T Pop-11 Comes of Age
- %I Ellis Horwood
- %D 1989
- %O A collection of papers on the history of dialects of Pop, the
- %O features and benefits of the language, and some applications using
- %O Pop-11.
-
- The most recent developments are the addition of a sophisticated
- interface to the X window system, supporting the dynamic linking of
- widget sets, and the latest of at least three different object
- oriented extensions to Pop-11, known as Objectclass (with multiple
- inheritance, multi-methods and a smooth integration with the Pop-11
- record class facility) designed and implemented by Steve Knight at
- Hewlett Packard Research Labs, Bristol UK (one of the contributors
- to the above book.)
-
- Three or four books on Pop-11 emerged in the mid 80's (I was
- co-author of one of them) but they are all out of date relative to
- the main dialect of Pop-11, the Poplog version (used as a basis for
- implementing Prolog, Common Lisp and Standard ML in Poplog).
-
- I am part way through producing a revised Pop-11 "primer" and if
- there's enough interest I could try posting chapters to this news
- group as they become available (perhaps they are too long for that)
- or, when our ftp site is working, making them available there.
-
- > ...can make it into a comp.lang group, why is basic still shit-upon
- > and relegated to the status of an alt group? (alt.lang.basic)?
-
- Actually basic has a lot of nice features, and modern structured
- basics with recursive procedures, local variables, and nice
- graphical facilities, are not open to all the objections of the
- early versions.
-
- So who is preventing the formation of comp.lang.basic??
-
- Aaron
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