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- From: lb00197@Corlac (David Porco)
- Subject: Re: But how did you get started?
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:42:01 GMT
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- In article <Nov.21.16.03.30.1992.29900@remus.rutgers.edu> map@remus.rutgers.edu (O. C.) writes:
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- >A few days back, someone posted a maybe real, maybe not post about
- >could the net help him keep his job by doing his work for him. Many
- >of the people who responded were kind of sarcastic and what not, and
- >well they should be, but the thing that caught my eye in many of the
- >posts was the term "real world" vs academic world. Here is some
- >background and then my questions.
-
- This is a very sophisticated question, and I certainly cannot provide
- all of the answers, but here are a few OPINIONS. These are OPINIONS
- based on my experiences and those of my brothers(One is a PhD. and
- the other has a bachelors degree) I am educated by trade school only
- IE: IBM, NOVELL Etc..
-
- 1) Computer technology changes so fast that traditional education
- cannot keep up with it. This is for many reasons, one of which
- is cost, another is the basic design of traditional educational
- institutions.
-
- 2) Hiring ANY employee costs gobs of money. For your first year you
- are basically learning the site, and how it operates. Each site
- is different. Employers do not want to "waste" resources training
- "unproven" employees.
-
- 3) Traditional education provides tools and history. To draw a trite
- analogy, Just because you have a tool set doesn't mean that you
- can actually fix something. I know... I have a tool set, and I
- can barely change a spark plug.
-
- 4) The current economy is in such a state, that employers (And
- educational intitutions) can ask for employees with SPECIFIC
- knowledge and experience. Lot's of folks are out of work and
- willing to work for peanuts in jobs they are extremely overqualified
- for.
-
- 5) The comodity of the 90's is IDEAS. (Flame me if you like),
- Traditional education does not prepare one for the task of
- being underpaid, overworked, and still able to take on additional
- work. It also does not encourage thinking outside of the lines,
- or prepare you for the task of taking care of yourself in the
- workplace. Actually nothing can prepare you for that. You do
- acquire skills from your education, but ideas... creativity...
- ownership... responsibility... kick in the face if you mess up...
- loose your jobs, and can't pay the bills if you mess up... ahhh...
- these are the things you can only experience in the "real world".
-
- 6) You gotta pay your dues. Sorry, I had to (Boy did I). And every
- other gainfully employed person I know has had to. I don't like
- it any more than anyone else. But it follows the axiom that the
- tried and true methods are the best. I don't agree, but who the
- heck am I.
-
- PLEASE don't take this as a flame. On the upside, with your education
- your earning potential is higher, and your promotability is much better.
- You'll probably have to start at the bottom like everyone else, but
- education will help you. Your knowledge is only a small part of
- being successful. Attitude, Cooperation, Dedication, and Eagerness are
- as big a part of it as your education.
- .
-
-
- >This is a serious post by a frustrated entry level person. Any
- >comments as to what my background is lacking, good or bad, I would be
- >thankful for.
-
- You have one MORE thing going for you than a lot of "entry level" people
- that is, that you are eager, and resourceful. This was the single most
- important thing in my getting good jobs.
-
- I might suggest that you take a look at the CNE certification process, or
- other trade school type things. Call some employers that you want to
- work for. Ask 'em what it would take to get a job there. I did it
- twice. That was 10 years ago, and the economy was different... But
- think outside the lines... Be creative, and always be honest and
- maintain your integrity.
-
- >Thanks in advance,
-
- >Michael A. Anderson
-
- Hope this helps. Good luck to ya.
- .
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