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- From: johnson@cs.uiuc.edu (Ralph Johnson)
- Subject: Re: Will we keep ignoring this productivity issue?
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- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:44:18 GMT
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- shanks@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Mark Shanks) writes:
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- >>>I maintain that superior programming ability is inherent; it can be
-
- >Please note I said "SUPERIOR" ability.
-
- and then he goes on to equate superior ability with being a genius.
-
- The studies that claim that there is several orders of magnitude
- differences between the effectiveness of programmers did not consider
- geniuses. They were looking at programming groups in single
- companies. The difference between the top 10% and the bottom 10%
- was very large. Probably none of these people were geniuses.
-
- >>you can teach leadership,
-
- >That's wrong. I went to the AF Academy, where they TRY to teach
- >leadership, but I assure you, some people can LEAD, and the rest
- >are fated to be managers at best.
-
- I know families where every child is a "born leader". However,
- it is probably not genetic. It is probably taught. There are
- some things that you have to teach at an early age, and it is too
- late if you start when you are 17. That is certainly true of
- foreign languages, music, ballet and gymnastics, and probably is
- true of leadership, too.
-
- >> Practice, hard work, and desire are the main attributes
- >>necessary to developing skill.
-
- I still think that one of the main things that makes a superior
- programmer is that he or she likes it so much that practice comes
- naturally. I would be very happy programming 10 or 12 hours a
- day. Once I was able to do that, and I did for many years. That
- is as an important a cause of my programming skills as my logical
- thinking.
-
- Native ability is a factor in everything that we do. But in the
- nature vs. nurture debate, I think that nurture probably is the
- most important in the end. In the case of programmers, most of
- the people prevented by nature from being good programmers probably
- aren't interested anyway.
-
- Ralph Johnson -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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