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- From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
- Subject: Re: Is There an Open Look Xgopher?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.080737.25359@fulcrum.oz.au>
- Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
- References: <1992Nov12.092342.5120@eng.cam.ac.uk> <1992Nov12.223837.28926@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> <1992Nov15.064138.22008@ra.msstate.edu> <1992Nov15.200600.1420@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:07:37 GMT
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- rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes:
-
- [quite a bit, deleted for brevity. But the crux of the post is...]
-
- >This is not an abstract ideal. There are a half-dozen major X based
- >UI's, and a lot more minor variants. Do we have one client for each?
- >The *ENTIRE* idea of X was to have one, unifying protocol. To add
- >multiple interfaces somewhat debases this ideal.
-
- Then a style guide should have been specified so that everyone could write
- software that acted the same. No-one did. Only one company did a survey of
- s/w developers and _major_ end users to find out what they wanted in a GUI
- and then spent the time and effort and money to design one, as well as
- software to implement it. "Everyone" then bucketed that same company publicly
- for "going their own way".
-
- You neither support a standard GUI for X applications, nor desire one, do
- you?
-
- >The ideal is *real*,
- >not abstract. Do you want to port and support a dozen different
- >X clients for each application? That is what will happen *if* this
- >stupid, idiotic "we need a separate version for my favorite UI" crap
- >continues.
-
- No, no-one wants to support that much software, especially if they have to
- use Xt, OLIT or Motif (YUK!).
-
- >The UI in X was meant to be a function if the Window
- >Manager. The basic cults have violated this by making the UI
- >dependent on external factors. Let's stop the wars, tell the idiots
- >to put the UI back in the window manager, and get back to the ideal
- >of an X world in which every X application is independent of UI and
- >Window Manager.
-
- Please try to get your feet back near the ground. Software just don't work
- like this. Especially _this_ software!
-
- >(if folks want an Open Look interface, all the
- >SHOULD require is that they run an Open Look WM! Period!).
-
- Nice try, but again, this does not work. What we really needed was a stricly
- enforced look and feel inside the toolkits _that matched_ with the ability to
- innovate. Unfortunately, some of our friends, the major computer vendors,
- decided that it should look and feel "like a PC", so blame them for the GUI
- wars, please. They foisted the problem on us.
-
- -PaulR.
- [Phew, off the soapbox, and back in the asbestos tent...]
-