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- From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
- Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher
- Subject: Re: Is There an Open Look Xgopher?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.200600.1420@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
- Date: 15 Nov 92 20:06:00 GMT
- References: <1992Nov12.092342.5120@eng.cam.ac.uk> <1992Nov12.223837.28926@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> <1992Nov15.064138.22008@ra.msstate.edu>
- Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.
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- fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov12.223837.28926@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) says:
- >: cdh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Chris Horne) writes:
- >:
- >: >I've just disovered GOPHER and have compiled the Xgopher client. Great!
- >: >Does an Open Look Xgopher exist? Is anyone working on one?
- >:
- >: Why?
-
- >So that its behavior will be similar to other Open Look applications that
- >he or his users are presumably using perhaps.
-
- >The success of the Mac interface in spite of some real functional
- >limitations seems, as much as anything, to be a product of the solid
- >consistency of function in its programs. Users like knowing how to
- >make the scroll bar work in all of their applications once they learn
- >to make it work in one application. A lot of end user pleasure can be
- >derived from such "trivial" user interface issues.
-
- >: I prefer that all freely available X software remain
- >: neutral in the matter of user interface. There is nothing that
- >: prevents an X client written for Xt or the Athena widgets, etc., from
- >: functioning under the Open Look window manager
-
- >Sacrificing user satisfaction in favor of some abstract ideal of purity
- >is, in my opinion, a bad idea.
-
- This is not an abstract ideal. There are a half-dozen major X based
- UI's, and a lot more minor variants. Do we have one client for each?
- The *ENTIRE* idea of X was to have one, unifying protocol. To add
- multiple interfaces somewhat debases this ideal. The ideal is *real*,
- not abstract. Do you want to port and support a dozen different
- X clients for each application? That is what will happen *if* this
- stupid, idiotic "we need a separate version for my favorite UI" crap
- continues. The UI in X was meant to be a function if the Window
- Manager. The basic cults have violated this by making the UI
- dependent on external factors. Let's stop the wars, tell the idiots
- to put the UI back in the window manager, and get back to the ideal
- of an X world in which every X application is independent of UI and
- Window Manager. (if folks want an Open Look interface, all the
- SHOULD require is that they run an Open Look WM! Period!).
-
- >--
- >Frank Peters - UNIX Systems Programmer - Mississippi State University
- >Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu - Phone: (601)325-7030 - FAX: (601)325-8921
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