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- From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
- Subject: Re: Questions on implementing 65 node network
- Keywords: FDDI, Sun
- Message-ID: <sk4g19k@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 21:49:54 GMT
- References: <1ejbadINNl57@early-bird.think.com>
- Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA
- Lines: 55
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- In article <1ejbadINNl57@early-bird.think.com>, sid@think.com (Sid Stuart) writes:
- >
- > We are currently considering moving our backbone network from
- > Ethernet to FDDI. As part of this change, we would also move
- > additional computers onto the backbone. The resulting network
- > would consist of three or four SGI's, 5-10 CM5's and 50 Sparc
- > based computers: about 30 Sun 4/65's and 4/75's acting as
- > fileservers and about 30 Sun 10/30's, 10/40's and 4/75's
- > acting as compute servers. The network would span two
- > buildings and be about 1500-2000 meters in length. I expect
- > the network to see 20-30 mbits of traffic during the day.
- >
- > Has anyone implemented such a network? What kind of problems have
- > you seen? What are the performance characteristics? What kind of
- > latency can I expect to see between stations under a load of 20-30
- > mbits? Am I trying to put too much equipment on too large of a
- > network or can FDDI deal with this distance/load?
-
-
- The standard says you can have 2 kilometers between stations. You can
- probably cheat to get above 2000 m to deal with your buildings 2000 m
- separation.
-
- Are you going to put all 70 computers directly on the FDDI dual-ring?
- With no concetrators?
-
- If so, I would expect the ring to have a ring latency around 85
- microseconds when the ring is THRU and around twice that when WRAPped.
- Assuming all of the stations are doing ordinary TCP, UDP, and NFS kinds
- of things, the average token latency of a ring at 30Mbit/sec or 30%
- load and 100 usec latency is around 150 microseconds. (The idea is
- that in a 1 second, the ring will spend 300 milliseconds moving data
- and the rest of the time spinning the token. So solve for the number
- of times the token will spin during the 700 milliseconds of idle time.)
-
- At 30% load with ordinary stuff, any station will be able to transmit
- any time a token comes around. Thus, the network latency attributable
- to FDDI in this situation averages 150 microseconds.
-
- If you use concentrators, add around 1 microsecond per port on each
- concentrator, whether active or not, to the ring latency, and recompute
- the token latency.
-
- You can get a lot more than 30 Mbit/sec TCP/IP/FDDI out of such a ring,
- depending on the stations.
-
- I know of FDDI networks like the one described, although they tend to
- have more SGI, DEC or IBM boxes and fewer Sun boxes.
-
- (If "20-30 mbits of traffic during the day" means 30 Mbit/day, then for
- heaven's sake do NOT waste money on FDDI. Use ethernets or T1 or even
- 56K lines.)
-
-
- Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com
-