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- From: vidalnaq@alcatel-alsthom.fr (G. Vidal-Naquet)
- Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Self-Reference and Paradox (was Re: Human intelligence...)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.093736.28605@aar.alcatel-alsthom.fr>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 09:37:36 GMT
- References: <1992Nov14.151559.13227@oracorp.com>
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- In article <1992Nov14.151559.13227@oracorp.com>, daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough) writes:
- >
- > In comp.ai.philosophy, we were discussing the meaningfulness of
- > self-referential sentences, and I noticed that many people seem to
- > think that such sentences are inherently invalid, or meaningless, or
- > paradoxical. The paradigm example, of course, is the liar paradox
- >
- > This sentence is false.
- >
- > Another paradoxical phrase is (I think it's called Richard's paradox):
- >
- > The smallest number that cannot be defined in fewer than twenty
- > words.
- >
- > (It seems to define a number, and only takes twelve words to do it,
- > contradicting the definition of the number.)
- >
- > In my opinion, the problem with such sentences are not with their
- > self-referential character, but with their use of an unrestricted
- > notion of truth (or falsity).
- >
- ...
- > Daryl McCullough
- > ORA Corp.
- > Ithaca, NY
- In my opinion the problem with this type of ssentences is the level they
- deal. In my course on logic, I learned that formula expresses a property
- of a given structure, or of a class of structures, and that the truth value
- of a formula can be determined from the structure. Now the important point
- is that there is a distinction betweeen the formula and the structures that
- they reference. Such paradox as the liar come from mixing the structure
- obtained by formulas and the truth values, with the semantic function that
- gives the value of a given formaulas with respect to a structure. That is
- essentially mixing a set with functions.
-