NetNews Usenet Archive 1992 #27/NN_1992_27.iso/spool/co/politics/2326

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas W. Day)
Subject: Re: Overpopulation and other leftist myths
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>There is no overpopulation problem.
>People are nowhere starving as a result of overpopulation. On the
>contrary, increasing population is the key commerce and human
>advancement, generally.

Speaking of myths, the "growth myth" is one of the longest running right-
wing fables.  Population growth may be a great thing for the ruling and
wealthy class, but it doesn't offer much to the middle class and it is the
#1 reason for the existence of the poor class.  If overpopulation is defined
as: too many people for the resources of the environment and technology of a
given area, there are many people starving from overpopulation.  Unless
you are only familiar with food, water, and resources from the usual grocery
store source, you'd be pretty ignorant not to notice the damage done to the
planet and the sources for these items; just in the last few decades.

>Arguments concerning the alleged population problem usually center
>around the myth of finite resources. Nothing could be further from the
>truth. As Juliam Simon as amply demonstrated, every resource of
>signifance, from metals to food stuffs, has decreased in price over
>the last century. And, of course, when you consider other sources of
>human wealth such as knowledge and skill, the finite resources
>argument crumbles even further.

Boy is this a popular superstition.  Even "Megatrends" promoted this
drivel with the "knowledge-based economy" fairy tale.  I guess people who
work for the government don't have much cause to understand supply and
demand, but you'd think they would have a passing aquaintance, at least.

First, the cost of some metals and raw materials have held still or
dropped in value because demand has changed and world competition has
increased.  But third world countries joining the list of countries mining
resources doesn't prove that those resources are infinite.  I don't even
understand the basis for this argument.  How can a finite planet have
infinite resources?  What are you thinking about?  Probably your own
lifetime and no further, like a good *conservative* (what a bastardization
of a good word).

Second, the limits and application of "human wealth such as knowledge and
skill" are probably the best argument for worrying about excess population.
Where do you think the unemployed class comes from?  Having worked in
manufacturing and information based corporations for most of my life, as an
engineer and manager, I have seen the demands of industry exceed the
abilities of a good portion of the population in my lifetime.  Except in the
socialist portion of our economy (civil service and the military), there are
few jobs that don't demand skills that are out of reach for too many
people.  (I know that sounds elitist, sorry.  I haven't seen a solution
for this problem.)  Basic manual labor functions are being assumed
by machines and the machines are being run by only the most talented and
educatable of assembly personnel.

In a few years, a basic factory job will require high level (by today's
standards) programming and quality control skills.  My previous employer (a
small audio equipment manufacturer) tripled production numbers in
eight years while adding on only a dozen assemblers and reducing technician
and QC inspector positions by half.  These positions weren't shipped
overseas either: they don't exist.  And the positions weren't filled by
equipment that required an equivalent number of employees from other
manufacturers, a few PCs and some process and tooling changes accounted for
most of the efficiency improvements.

And this occurred in S California.  Where do you think uneducated,
undeveloped, and overpopulated countries will find places for their people?
They aren't doing well at it now and the "developed countries" are finding
resources hard enough to come by that not much surplus is available to
assist the much larger populations in the "undeveloped countries."

>Of course, those who push the population problem usually have an
>agenda which requires it. For example, many leftists are weded to
>the idea of controlling population because it is a convenient
>bridge to controlling people, generally.

I'd buy that argument, but in reverse.  The ruling class finds a large and
stupid population a lot easier to control than a well-fed, educated
population that doesn't have to worry about a starving underclass pushing
for their place in the economy.  I am afraid of the population control
systems that *will* be put in place when the population reaches critical
mass.  And "conservatives" will be controlling the population then (like
they do now) for the same goals they work for today: their own profit and
power.

>Do your part for the human race. Have as many kids as you can afford.
>Teach them to acquire and defend wealth through peaceful commerce with
>their fellow man.

You read too much SF and/or watch too much Star Dreck.  Pretending that the
world can afford to fill with human bodies and assuming that science will
save the human race in the last minute is as fantasy-filled as a Disney
fable.  As resources tighten and demand increases for the basic support of
the huge number of unemployable bodies, the only SF future we will have is
the one pictured in "Soylent Green."

How many kids can you have if you really have to afford them?  I mean by
paying for their education and the systems that are needed to assure their
future?  Instead of leaching off people who don't believe in your fantasies,
try on a "kid tax" for instance.  If people who have large numbers of
children had to pay for the full cost of those children and the burden they
put on society, I suspect their population position would change radically.
But that kind of reality won't set in until we have past the point of no
return, ecologically and politically.