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- From: huntting@advtech.uswest.com (Brad Huntting)
- Subject: Re: Amendment 2 (was: What happened to all the refe)
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:46:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov14.203155.25754@ncar.ucar.edu> rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Jim Rosinski) writes:
- >The words I quote from Mr. Huntting below have been edited for spelling
- >errors and grammatical clarity.
-
- Thank you...
-
- >huntting@advtech.uswest.com (Brad Huntting) writes:
-
- >>And that's as it should be. It's none of [an employer's] damn business
- >>whether you like boys, girls, neither, or both. Or perhaps you can point out
- >>some job situation where a homosexual might not be as competent as a
- >>heterosexual?
-
- >1) Marriage counselor. I'm not saying that someone who is gay *cannot* be as
- >competent in this job. I am saying that sexual orientation can be a legitimate
- >selection criterion in that to people seeking the services of a marriage
- >counselor, it may be desirable that the professional selected has been in
- >similar life situations (e.g. also has a wife/husband or kids). Along
- >the same lines, many women prefer to be treated by *female* doctors. I
- >see nothing "wrong" in this.
-
- I'm shure some people wouldn't want to hire a marriage counselor who
- was gay. I'm shure there are gay couples who would prefer a counselor
- who prefer a counselor who is gay. But while this is "discrimination
- based on affectational orientation" it's not institutionalized hence
- there is no institution to blame, and usually no way to establish clear
- evidence of a pattern of discrimination.
-
- Now call me naive, but I think I would prefer a counselor who had *not*
- been in the same situation as me and my (nonexistant) spouse. I
- suspect such a person would have much better objectivity.
-
- >2) Catholic priest. It is my understanding that the Pope says homosexuality is
- >wrong. Since he is by definition infallible, this would seem to make such a
- >trait undesirable for the priesthood.
-
- Oh god... First, I've never been catholic, and dont intend to start.
- But it's my understanding that one of the long standing political
- strugles in "the church" is over the line that seperates the political
- authority of preists vs the political authority of the higherups.
- After all, it was the catholic church which invented "liberation
- theology". I suspect this issue falls in that grey area.
-
- Besides, catholic clergy aren't premited to practice sex anyway. What
- difference could it make?
-
- >Examples of the converse exist also:
-
- >1) Gay Crisis Hotline phone answerer. Again, I'm not saying that a hetero
- >*cannot* do a good job in this capacity, only that some people would prefer
- >that the phone be answered by a person who *knows* first-hand what the caller
- >might be going through.
-
- Again the issue of objectivity can also be raised. Hopefully anyone
- who was hired for such a job would understand and empathize (if not
- sympathize) with the problems the callers would have. Does this mean
- that a gay person could do the job better? Not nessesarily.
-
- >Personally, I am quite skeptical of the whole concept of "anti-discrimination
- >legislation". Hopefully the above examples will enable me to escape being
- >labelled a "gay-basher" or "insensitive asshole" by the
- >net.police.politically-correct for making such a statement.
-
- I dont particularly like "discrimination" legislation myself;
- particularly since most desision's must involve "discrimination"
- othersize you might as well throw dice.
-
- What's worse is that discrimination legislation only addresses the
- symptoms of bigotry, and agravates those who end up being
- "discriminated against" in the name of equality.
-
- But rather than point fingers at the laws, fix the problem. Once we
- mature beyond really minding wheather our freinds family or business
- aquantances are gay or straight, then we will no longer need to have
- laws that prohibit discrimination based on afectational orientation.
-
- But the sad fact that CFV can get support for the ugly propaganda it
- distributed and the fact that gays are still harrased at every turn
- just because their gay is evidence that we still have a long way to
- go. And we need to give our gay and lesbian freinds, familly and
- buisness aquantances the support they need to take recourse against
- institutionalized homophobia. Send homophobes a message: Your
- attitudes are not cool, catch a clue. Untill you do, you'll have to
- pay if you screw someone because they're gay.
-
- And, well, if the catholic church get's sacked with a law suit or two along
- the way... bummer... It's not like they can't afford it.
-
-
- brad
-