home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: can.politics
- Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!utcsri!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!uwovax.uwo.ca!4224_5201
- From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
- Subject: Re: Reform Party
- Organization: University of Western Ont, London
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:44:10 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.224410.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
- References: <murphy.722262986@well.sf.ca.us> <aidler.722412657@sanjuan> <1992Nov23.005655.8997@ee.ubc.ca>
- Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System)
- Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca
- Lines: 91
-
- In article <1992Nov23.005655.8997@ee.ubc.ca>, jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
-
- > These are excellent principles.
- >
- > So why does it feel so icky to support the Reform Party?
- >
- > I want much clearer evidence that the Reform Party is not dragging in
- > a lot of relgious, moralistic, sel-righteous dogma in with its policies.
- >
- > I am not totally convinced that the Reform Party stands for seperating
- > religious and moral issues from the economic and democratic issues.
-
- Presto! Manning and his father are VERY religious types. Wouldn't trust
- them if my life depended on it.
-
- > Ideally, I want the Reform Party to be somewhat libertarian:
- > economically conservative, let market forces rule. But socially
- > liberal, in that the State has no business declaring actions
- > or lifestyleas immoral or illegal, if those actions affect no-one else
- > but that individual.
-
- Unfortunately that will never be the case. Like all socialist movements,the
- Reform movement is profoundly populist, which is why unpopular causes like
- eliminating censorship or "lifestyle" issues (gay bashing) will never be raised
- by this group of people. Deep down, the Reformers are Tory-wanabees. Reformers
- trust the system that Preston has willingly participated in. If they truly
- wanted to change things, they wouldn't be an organization whose sole interest
- is gaining as many MP's as possible in the next election. In effect they have
- all sold their souls to the devil, Uncle Preston and the whole system that
- Canada operates under.
-
- (Reform Hack)
- >>I am committed to the Reform Party because I believe
- >>the Conservatives have *no commitment* to these ideals.
- >>They may talk around about them, and they may even
- >>adopt some of our policies, but I think they feel they
- >>can tinker with the policies our governments have
- >>applied for the past ~30 years to create this mess
- >>when a radically new approach is necessary.
-
- Here is a very good example of the party hack. In this case the disillusioned
- Tory who still loves the party system (and Preston).
-
- (Reform Hack)
- >>A clear example of the Conservative's philosophy was
- >>shown in the constitution amendments and the referendum.
- >>The Charlottetown Accord attempted to define Canada
- >>on a concept of founding nations and as a
- >>collection of collectives. Even after the people
- >>had finally put that notion to death, the Prime
- >>Minister was on television spouting the same rhetoric.
- >>
- >>The Reform Party campaigned on the *principle* that
- >>all Canadians are equal and that our constitution
- >>should reflect that.
-
- This is the whole problem with the Reform movement. They say they are for
- certain kinds of regionalism but when push come to shove they are no better
- than your typical Ontario centralizer, your typical anti-French bigot or
- your typical "patriot" who views Canada as one nation and wants nothing better
- to ignore separatism and make the same mistakes that Trudeau and Mulroney did.
-
- (Reform Hack)
- >>In summary, the Reform Party represents the opportunity
- >>for ordinary Canadians to make fundamental changes
- >>in their government. The Conservatives (and the Liberals
- >>and the NDP) represent certain groups with vested
- >>interests in perpetuating their views of Canada.
-
- Like I said, they are no different from the NDP, which began as a populist
- socialist crusade but is now just a group of power-seeking left-wing
- compromisers. In 30 years you will be singing a different tune about Reform,
- or will be just like all the cynical NDP-cronies who love the system and
- have sucked on it for the 40 years.
-
- > __________________________________________________________________________
- > John Paul Morrison |
- > University of British Columbia, Canada |
- > Electrical Engineering | .sig file without a cause
- > jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca VE7JPM |
- > ________________________________________|_________________________________
- --
-
- John P. LaRocque
- vader@uwo.ca
- University of Western Ontario
- London, Ontario
-
-
- "Urk..urk..."
- "Apologies accepted, Captian Nida", Darth Vader
-