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- From: marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
- Subject: Re: Definition of/d'un "Quebecois"
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:00:26 EST
- Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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- audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
- >In article (Mark Anthony Young) writes:
- >>audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
- >>>A "quebecois" is simply a Quebec citizen. Anyone legally a Quebec
- >>>citizen.
- >>>
- >>>PS: It helps if that person thinks of hiself/herself as being a
- >>>quebecois.
- >>>
- >>I don't think there is such a thing, legally, as a Quebec "citizen".
- >>There are Quebec "residents" and even, under the voting law, something
- >>like an "ex-patriot", but no citizenship.
- >
- >Because for now, Quebec is not a country.
- >
- Just my point. Since there is no such thing (for now) as a "Citizen of
- Quebec", it's not a good definition of quebecois. Perhaps in a couple
- of years it will be an excellent definition, but now....
-
- >>And if there is/were something like a Quebec citizenship, what would
- >>it help for a person to think of themself as a quebecois? After all,
- >>it would be a simple matter of legality -- "Papiers, Monsieur?"
- >
- >You a a paranoid manipulator. Why the hell put policeman-like
- >statement in here? If I asked you what's the definition of an
- >Ontarian, what would you have said?
- >
- I'm sorry. I didn't mean it like that. I just had in mind the person
- at the immigration counter asking for proof of citizenship. It didn't
- occur to me that it might be taken as implying that Quebec would be a
- police state.
-
- If you had asked me what an Ontarian was, I'd have said "someone who
- lives in Ontario or grew up there."
-
- >>Il y a, peut etre, des degres de quebecois?
- >
- >Evidemment non.
-
- Poirquoi pas? Je dirais qu'il y a des degres d'Ontarien. Il y a
- ces qui l'y a demeure toute la vie, et ces qui y habite pendant qu'il
- ne trouve pas l'emploi "chez lui" (comme moi!).
-
- On the other hand, a Canadian is someone with Canadian citizenship.
- There are no degrees there.
-
- >Je dois avouer que je n'ai jamais vu une mauvaise foi pareille chez
- >aucun individu dans toute ma vie. On me demmande "qui est quebecois?"
- >Je reponds qu'il faut demmander aux gens si ils se croient quebecois
- >pour avoir une reponse et il se trouve quelqu'un pur dire que c'est
- >uen representation de l'Etat-Policier fachiste et raciste.
- >
- T'as lu beaucoup plus que j'ai ecrit.
-
- T'as repondu qu'il y a un citoyennite' (???) quebecois. Je t'ai
- contradit. Si tu as simplement dit qu'il faut demander aux gens
- si ils se croient quebecois, je n'aurais rien dit.
-
- ...mark young
-