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- From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
- Subject: Re: Quebec
- References: <1992Nov16.145011.4338@cerberus.ulaval.ca>
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.132101.13646@spxtech.qc.ca>
- Distribution: can.politics
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:21:01 GMT
- Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
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- From article <1992Nov16.145011.4338@cerberus.ulaval.ca>, by duquet@astro.phy.ulaval.ca (Jean-Remi Duquet):
- > In article <1992Nov8.103905.6682@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
- >>From article <1992Nov5.132132.7992@cerberus.ulaval.ca>,
- >>by beaucham@astro.phy.ulaval.ca
- >>Dominique Beauchamp writes:-
- >>
- >>> Je ne connais pas beaucoup d'anglophones qui ont eu de la difficulte a se
- >>> faire "servir" en anglais au Quebec.
- >>
- >>Je connais "beaucoup d'anglophones qui ont eu de la difficulte" a faire
- >>eduquer leurs enfants dans les ecoles de leur propre langue au Quebec.
- >>
- > Connais-tu seulement quelques francophones hors Quebec qui ont facilement
- > fait eduquer leurs enfants dans les ecoles de leur propre langue hors-Quebec?
- >
-
- More than 99% of french speaking children throughout Canada are receiving
- their education in French (mostly in Quebec and Manitoba).
-
- The situation could be improved, of course.
-
- The fact that some french-speaking communities in certain parts of Canada
- can not send their children to french schools (those schools not being
- available for whatever reason) is not a justification for denying english
- children access to underpopulated english schools (actually functioning)
- in their own neighbourhoods.
-
- The Quebec government's own (Greta Chambers') Task Force calls for allowing
- access to english schools for ALL english children to try to slow down the
- alarming rate of closures of english schools in the province.
-
- To respond to your specific question, repeated here :-
-
- > Connais-tu seulement quelques francophones hors Quebec qui ont facilement
- > fait eduquer leurs enfants dans les ecoles de leur propre langue hors-Quebec?
-
- No, not personally, I don't.
-
- I don't know many anglophone, francophone or any-other-phone families outside
- of Quebec, in Canada.
-
- That doesn't mean they are not there!
-
- The Quebec government has worked to deny them access to their own schools
- too!
-
- > Et pour repondre a ton argument, je connais plusieurs francophones qui ont
- > fait quelques annees a l'ecole anglaise, meme a Quebec.
-
- So?
-
- That door isn't open to french families in Quebec any more!
-
- Many english families put their children through French schools by choice.
-
- What's your point?
-
- >>>
- >>> A moins que de vouloir proteger sa langue et sa culture soit raciste...
- >>> Pourrait-on m'eclairer la-dessus? s.v.p.
- >>>
- >>
- >>"de vouloir proteger sa langue et sa culture" ne soit pas du tout raciste.
- >>
- >>De nier le droit de faire eduquer ses enfants dans l'ecole publique de
- >>son choix est un violation des droits et libertes humaines.
- >>
- >>De forcer des familles a envoyer leurs enfants aux ecoles francaises quand
- >>il y a des ecoles anglaises publique disponibles est raciste.
- >>
- >
- > Au moins, il y a des ecoles anglaises publiques disponibles...
-
- But they are dissappearing fast! ...
-
- ... and without the schools to support it the community dissappears with it!
-
- Is that what you want? :-(
-
- > De plus, sans vouloir te vexer, je ne vois pas en quoi ca peut etre raciste.
- > Primo, nous sommes de la meme "race" (a supposer que ce mot ait un sens).
-
- I agree that "race" is a difficult, if not impossible term to define.
-
- The dictionary, however, in the context of this discussion, provides for the
- word to be used to identify rules, or laws that are racially discriminatory
- in nature or intent.
-
- So, denying access to anyone whose parents did not receive their education in
- English, in Canada, is denying access from anyone who is not identified as
- a member of the group of people whose parents are identified as having
- received their education in English in Canada. It is a racially
- discriminatory law!
-
- Look up the words for yourself. It is not difficult to understand, really.
-
- > Deux, ce reglement s'applique normalement UNIQUEMENT aux familles dont les
- > parents ne sont pas anglophones.
-
- WRONG!
-
- It applies to EVERYONE who did not receive their education in English in
- Canada, or who received their education elsewhere but landed here after
- 26th august, 1977.
-
- ("normelament UNIQUEMENT" is almost a contradiction of terms. :-? )
-
- > Alors ce n'est certainement pas du "racisme"
- > envers les anglophones du Quebec.
- >
-
- It IS if there are anglophones in Quebec who are affected by it - and
- there are about 12,000 english children affected by it!
-
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